The nation is reeling.

The president of the United States incited insurrection against the legislative branch. With Donald Trump’s encouragement, the Capitol was invaded by a mob, the first such breach since the War of 1812 when the raiders were British soldiers.

Members of Congress, despite being attacked, returned to work to certify the election of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Unbelievably, some Republicans — including, shamefully, Yvette Herrell of New Mexico’s 2nd Congressional District — continued their false claims about voter fraud in the presidential election. They deserve our scorn.

Even with fewer than two weeks remaining, Trump can do greater damage to our nation. Both House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer are pressing for Vice President Mike Pence and the Trump Cabinet to use the 25th Amendment to remove the president from office, with the reason being that he has demonstrated unfitness for office.

They are correct to try and remove Trump. If the vice president and Cabinet hold back, Pelosi is threatening a second impeachment. Both Democratic leaders are correct. Trump is a danger to the nation.

He is far from the only challenge to democratic norms, considering the many enablers Trump had — and continues to have — in Congress.

At the least, the Senate should censure such clowns as GOP Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, who led the objections to the vote despite knowing the election was run fairly. They did not back down even after mobs took over the Capitol, a direct result of encouragement from the president and his enablers. In the House of Representatives, more than 100 GOP members voted to decertify electors from Arizona and Pennsylvania — and several are lying outright, not just about the election but about the attack on the Capitol. Liars can be punished.

In 1861, Congress expelled 14 members because of their support for the Confederacy. Continuing to lie about the election, supporting insurrection and obfuscating about responsibility for the events at the Capitol all rise to a level that deserves punishment, if not outright expulsion. One lesson we have learned from the Trump presidency is that accountability matters.

Yet despite the attacks on the United States, there is hope amid our collective shame.

The system did work, showing again the resiliency of our democratic republic. The election of Biden and Harris has been certified despite the violent mob seeking to halt a constitutional process. On Jan. 20, Biden will be sworn into office in an orderly, if not peaceful, transition.

Yet Trump — insurrectionist-in-chief — remains in office.

Still, a growing movement is calling for his removal, with Democratic leaders, newspapers and even some Republicans attempting to persuade Pence and the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment. Most direct would be to push Trump to resign, something the conservative Wall Street Journal is recommending.

The country would be safer if Trump were out of office, away from the nuclear codes, without the power of the pardon and unable to use the bully pulpit of the presidency to push conspiracies and incite violence. Social media platforms — finally — are beginning to restrict Trump’s accounts. It’s too little, too late, but muzzling him is one way to cool the flames as we transition to the Biden administration.

Better yet would be for Trump to resign or be removed. We will turn the argument for his dismissal over to a young Republican — the kind of lawmaker who should be the future of his party rather than craven opportunists.

U.S. Rep. Adam Kinzinger, a Republican from Illinois, said he woke up Thursday determined to reclaim his party, saying in a Twitter statement that “all indications are that the president has become unmoored not just from his duty, or even his oath, but from reality itself. It is for this reason I call for the vice president and the members of the cabinet to ensure the next few weeks are safe for the American people and we have a sane captain of a ship.”

Kinzinger said, “It’s time to invoke the 25th amendment and to end this nightmare. We will arise from this, but we cannot forget what led us here. The liars and conspiracy authors are already at it again this morning with false narratives about yesterday’s disaster.

“Here’s the truth. The president caused this. The president is unfit. The president is unwell. And the president must now relinquish control of the executive branch voluntarily or involuntarily.”

Kinzinger laid out the case with precision. It now is up to Pence and the Cabinet, as patriots, to respond. The country remains in danger with Donald Trump in charge. It’s that basic.

Trump cares little about the country, his successor or ensuring a peaceful transition. He worked to ensure the transfer of power would not be peaceful, in fact. It’s all about Trump — as it has been since the beginning. He is a danger. That’s why he needs to go. And once gone — whether now or at 12:01 p.m. Jan. 20 — he must be held accountable for inciting an attack on the Capitol.

(16) comments

B. Rosen

Trump really must be impeached and criminal charges should be brought against Senators Cruz and Hawley. We live in a nation of laws, and these men have violated the, most egregiously

Stefanie Beninato

No timidity. Forget about Pence invoking the 25th Amendment. If he did not do it TH and Cabinet members are resigning rather than helping by supporting the Trump's removal then it is up to the HOUSE to start impeachment proceedings. The evidence is on tape....JUST DO IT NOW!! Our country needs this decisive action to stand tall for our principles of peaceful and fair elections.

Ramon David

If members of the cabinet keep resigning, it will be hard to get a majority of the cabinet to vote for the president's removal per the 25th amendment

Robert Fields

A press release by the police chief that is stepping down, Steven Sund, reports that the Trump mob attacked with metal pipes and pepper spray, left a number of active/live pipe bomb devices, and destroyed US property.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/statement-steven-sund-chief-police

Unlike Santa Fe resident John Block’s version of a “peaceful and joyful protest” (https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/santa-fe-man-says-his-experience-outside-capitol-was-peaceful-jovial/article_932de110-513c-11eb-8a5c-b7254e0a851b.html), it was a violent mob, incited by president Trump, his son, and his lawyer, that attacked our capitol building, ransacked offices, destroyed property, threatened the lives of elected representatives, and beat one police officer to death, apparently with a metal pipe or pipes.

Sund’s report shows what kind of mob they were - violent anarchists - motivated by Giuliani’s visions of “trial by combat”, Junior’s cajoling and even threatening the crowd if they did not act to “take back” the country, and Trump’s own painting of democrats as “bad people” and how the crowd couldn’t be weak.

And off they went to plant bombs, threaten, destroy, riot, and even murder.

Brenda Lindlief

Well said. Thank you for your comments and for providing citations to legitimate news sources to support your statements. Mr. Block, like too many others, seems to be joining in a conspiracy and racist-based movement simply to belong. I'm all for STEM education, but as recent events, and the elections of 2016 and 2020 undeniably reveal, we clearly need to be focusing on/requiring courses in the humanities.

Philip Taccetta

All those that attended the assault on our Capital are complicit in the unfortunate deaths that occurred during this illegal terrorist attack. All that can be identified should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The impact of this attack has been heard around the world. It will take an enormous effort to return us to the respect we had internationally prior to this entire four year reign of trump! I want to see him leaving the White House in disgrace.

Robert Fields

Completely agree. The leadup and aftermath of this election, that a lying psychopath like Trump continued to have supporters and defenders trying to steal the election for him, and his own efforts to threaten and extort election officials and foreign governments, etc, were extremely stressful.

He almost succeeded, too. Only now, after the reality sinks in that his riot resulted in deaths and destruction, are his sycophants jumping ship and even condemning his actions.

We dodged a bullet. He nearly staged a successful coup. Now he, Fredo, and his disgraced lawyer ghoul, may even face some kind of murder charges for inciting a riot that resulted in the death of a police officer.

We can’t relax yet, but I am very relieved.

Jim Klukkert

New York Times, 7 January 2021: A United States Capitol Police officer died Thursday night from injuries sustained when he engaged with a pro-Trump mob that descended on the U.S. Capitol the day before.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/a-capitol-police-officer-dies-from-injuries-sustained-during-the-pro-trump-rampage.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210108&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=58038491&segment_id=48710&user_id=b6ed338b26683a5659853c6b06945ffc

Robert Fields

Five people died as a direct result of the riot that Trump, Don Jr, and Giuliani all incited. Two were “natural causes” - heart attack and stroke. But one woman was shot and another woman apparently trampled to death in the Capitol building. Additionally, a capitol police officer was grabbed by the mob, beaten severely, and died today. A police officer.

Even though the deaths weren’t intentional by those who incited the riot and insurrection (Trump, Giuliani, and Don Jr), wouldn’t those who committed the crimes that led to those deaths be eligible for murder charges of some kind in addition to whatever charges are due from sedition, insurrection, and inciting a riot?

I thought that even if unintentional, deaths resulting from the commission of a crime can add murder charges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

“The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender's accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder.”

Emily Koyama

Police Officers have been targeted, executed, murdered for years, especially in the past few years. Now, you find yourself "outraged"...

I'm outraged at this Capitol Police Officer's death, and want those responsible brought to justice, but, then, I've always felt that way about cop killers, because the motive does not excuse the act, ever.

Jim Klukkert

Ms. Koyama, no one I know on the left nor the right, in fact, no one I know, is happy with anyone's death, particularly the deaths of those who serve us as Government workers.

As the grandson of a long time member of the CHP, and as a co-worker and friend of Roundhouse Security and of the New Mexico State Police officers, I am particularly sad to have had to honor the fallen in a number of ceremonies.

You have made fun of my family and social relationships previously, I do hope you will not repeat those low, snarky comments.

Perhaps you are confused the outrage felt by most Americans when unarmed civilians, chiefly men of color, are slain by agents of the state. Our outrage regarding the murder of citizens by armed agents of the State does not mean that we are not deeply saddened, and yes. outraged, when our public servants are killed in the line of duty, far from that!

Some of us may be even more outraged at the murders of unarmed citizens, most likely Men of Color, by the police. Not only are these murders a continuing stain on the American history of white privilege and racism.; those murders are also the failure to Serve and Protect Equitably, the very citizens whose taxes pay their wages. Those murders are, for many in the law enforcement community, the most profound betrayals of the high standards most officers try to uphold, the high standards that all officers are sworn to uphold.

To sum up: We are united against Violence, especially Murder. We are united against the continuing history of White Violence against People of Color. We are united against Violence by Agents of the State against the Citizenry.

So your comment "Now, you find yourself "outraged"..." falls on deaf ears, as you have too often claimed that violence against the police is celebrated by the Left. That is an old lie that you once again resurrected in order to score opportunistic political points, even at the expense of the American Experiment in Democracy.

What hypocrisy, Ms. Koyama, that you value scoring political points over the health of our Democracy!

Emily Koyama

I call BS on you Klukkert. I have never said that the Left "celebrates" Police Officers being murdered, but I do believe some ignore, or tacitly condone it.

I also call BS on you trying to equate a "person of color" being killed by a Police officer who is often making a split second decision, perhaps in the dark, perhaps believing the person of color was armed, etc, with an individual walking up to a Police Officer sitting in a patrol car and shooting them point blank in the head. Not the same. Not even close. As for your last sentence...good grief,dude, EVERY post you write is designed to score political points (or personally insult people).

Give me a break.

Jim Klukkert

Golly Gee Emily, with rhetorical flourishes like “I call BS on you Klukkert,” dare I reply.

You bet I do Koyama…

I never said that you said that “the Left ‘celebrates’ Police Officers being murdered.” But you are splitting hairs when you imply in your comment of Jan 8, 2021 12:06pm, that suddenly “you find yourself ‘outraged’…” and your comment of Jan 8, 2021 2:30pm “I do believe some ignore, or tacitly condone it.”

In fact you have accused folks on the Left as being fans of Cop Killers. A dirty charge, and that you need to discuss this while a brutally murdeered Peace Officer is yet to be laid in the ground is the greatest disrespect.

You must be very angry, as it impossible to discern what you mean to say when you write “you trying to equate a ‘person of color’ being killed by a Police officer who is often making a split second decision, perhaps in the dark, perhaps believing the person of color was armed, etc, with an individual walking up to a Police Officer sitting in a patrol car and shooting them point blank in the head. Not the same. Not even close.”

Except of course for that little bit “I also call BS on you…” I do get that, you are very angry. Perhaps that anger is confusing your thoughts.

So Ms. Koyama, perhaps you are having anger management issues. Fortunately, you live in Santa Fe, where many there are many therapists who may be able to help you!

And that Emmy, is no BS on you.

rodney carswell

Jim, EK's daily posts here read as coming from as an unhappy grievance queen; but I think you know that. I appreciate the yeoman's work you do in the peanut gallery, standing up for what is right and debunking the false, misleading or empty claims of those who still are enthralled by Donald J. Trump--despite the mountains of historical evidence, going back long before before he was elected, clearly profiling him as a narcissistic, low information, authoritarian, anti-democratic, lowlife. Thanks for your service.

Jim Klukkert

Thank you Rodney. I hope folks will forgive me when my passionate commitment drive me into anger, but such is life in these times, life in struggle.

Thanks again, Rodney, your support is meaningful to me.

Russell Scanlon

Yes. We are outraged. Let’s all agree on that without trying to distract from the actions of an angry mob promoting anarchy and murdering the police that they claim to support.

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