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A distraught Alec Baldwin lingers in the parking lot outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office on Camino Justicia after being questioned Thursday about a shooting on a movie set. The sheriff’s office says he fired a prop gun that killed a woman and injured the director. © Copyright 2021 Santa Fe New Mexican.

Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a “prop firearm” Thursday on a movie set south of Santa Fe, killing the director of photography for the film he was working on and wounding its director, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office said.

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Director Joel Souza was injured and hospitalized Thursday in a shooting on the set of the movie Rust, which was being filmed south of Santa Fe.

Baldwin, 63, could be seen outside the the sheriff’s office headquarters distraught and in tears while on the phone. No charges have been filed, according to a news release sent by the sheriff’s office late Thursday evening.

The director of photography for the feature film Rust, Halyna Hutchins, 42, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, and director Joel Souza, 48, was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he was receiving emergency care, the sheriff’s office said.

Baldwin is one of the film’s stars as well as a producer. He went to the sheriff’s office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff’s office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

“We’re treating this as we would any other investigation,” Ríos said, adding deputies were still trying to determine whether what happened was an accident.

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The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office responded to the scene of a fatal accidental shooting at a Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set Thursday.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff’s office said in an early evening news release. The set was locked down while deputies began their investigation.

Attempts to get comment from Baldwin outside the sheriff’s office were unsuccessful. The state film office and the Santa Fe Film Office declined to comment.

Deputies were investigating how the incident occurred and “what type of projectile was discharged,” the sheriff’s office said in a release.

In a statement, Rust Movie Productions said, “Production has been halted for the time being” on Rust and that “the safety of our cast and crew remains our top priority,” according to Deadline.

Reaction to the incident came in a flurry late Thursday.

Fran Drescher, president of the Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, and the union’s National Executive Director Duncan Crabtree-Ireland issued a statement: “We are devastated by this tragic news. Our hearts go out to the family of Director of Photography Halyna Hutchins who has passed away and to Director Joel Souza who is injured and hospitalized. This is still an active investigation and we do not yet have all the facts. We will continue to work with production, the other unions, and the authorities to investigate this incident and to understand how to prevent such a thing from happening again.”

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The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office responded to a shooting Thursday at a Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set. The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office says actor Alec Baldwin's prop firearm killed a woman and injured the director.

Hutchins was a Los Angeles-based cinematographer from Ukraine who grew up on a Soviet military base within the Arctic Circle, according to her website.

She earned a degree in international journalism from Kyiv National University in Ukraine and had worked as an investigative journalist with British documentary productions in Europe.



She graduated from the American Film Institute Conservatory in 2015 and would go on to earn a spot as one of American Cinematographer‘s Rising Stars of 2019 and cinematographer for the 21st Century Fox DP Lab in 2018, her website said.

Most recently, Hutchins served as director of photography for feature film Archenemy, starring Joe Manganiello, Blindfire, a racially charged cop drama starring Brian Geraghty, and Darlin’, a horror feature.

Hutchins was also a member of the International Cinematographers Guild, Local 600.

In a Tuesday post on Facebook, Hutchins’ page featured a photo that showed the cast, including Baldwin, on the set. It said, “Our IATSE solidarity stand on RUST.”

Souza is a filmmaker based in the San Francisco Bay Area. He previously directed American action film Crown Vic, a feature film produced in 2019 following the life of a Los Angeles Police Department officer hunting two cop killers on the loose, according to IMDB.

Baldwin is listed as a writer for Rust, alongside Souza.

Accidental discharges or guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions.

The entertainment news site Deadline reported, “Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot. ... Both incidents were determined to have been accidents.”

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A distraught Alec Baldwin lingers in the parking lot outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office Thursday after he was questioned about a shooting on the set of the film Rust. The sheriff's office said a prop gun Baldwin was using killed a crew member and wounded the director. © Copyright 2021 Santa Fe New Mexican. 

Filming for Rust had been scheduled to continue into early November, according to a news release from the state film office.

It’s described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas. Baldwin plays the outlaw Rust.

Bonanza Creek Ranch has hosted several famous productions, including Hostiles, Cowboys & Aliens, Wild Hogs, 3:10 to Yuma and Longmire. It features a 24-building town suited for filming Westerns.

Baldwin is considered one of the most versatile actors in television and movies.

A member of a well-known acting family and an Academy Award nominee, he has won several Golden Globe, Emmy and Screen Actors Guild awards and in recent years was a Saturday Night Live staple for his lampooning of former President Donald Trump.

New Mexican reporter Phaedra Haywood contributed to this story.

© Copyright 2021 Santa Fe New Mexican. Images and story may not be republished without permission. Please direct reprint and reuse inquiries to hlopez@sfnewmexican.com.

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Fran Wessel

I am not sure who Jim Klukkert is but most of the comments are right about the handling of a gun. I think Alex Baldwin should take the consequences of his actions like any other person would have too.

Mike Pense

Why would you even pretend to shoot your directors? We’re they also actually acting in the movie? “Cold Gun” or not Producer Baldwin knows better than to point a gun at his Directors for any reason.

Jake Jason

From what's come out so far, the onus appears to be on the reckless assistant director who gave Baldwin the go-ahead, and on the negligent, incompetent "armourer" who appears to used her father's connections to get a job for which she was manifestly unqualified. Past that, the cinematographer should have worn a mask and goggles, and a shield should have been placed between her and the gun. These jokers ignored all the well-established rules. Someone(s) should be criminally charged. Not Baldwin from the current looks of it, but as one of the producers he should be on the hook for millions. That's not political at all. No one should be immune from VERY close scrutiny.

Jim Klukkert

Jake Jason- first your comments were all about how much you dislike Mr. Baldwin, then you chased me for a bit. Now "the onus appears to be on the reckless assistant director ... and on the negligent, incompetent 'armourer'..."

You seem so like an enthusiastic adolescent who blows his load with the first stimulation, leaving us your comments that are but "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.' [Apologies to Willy S. of Stratford-upon-Avon]

A little more patience for the actual facts of the matter to become apparent, a little less agenda to your read of a situation, and far fewer insults, and J.J. might actually have a comment worth reading.

Not yet of course, but perhaps with time ...

Jake Jason

Thanks for your politically motivated personal attacks. You are okay with what happened, and have attacked anyone who says otherwise. If you're looking for an arrogant idiot, find a mirror.

Jake Jason

Three big questions. First, why were there any live rounds on that set? Who brought them there, and for what reason? Second, who put the live round into Baldwin's gun? Given that it's a revolver, the police should have ready access to the casing, and should be able to get fingerprints. Third, what are the specifics behind the shooting? Industry guidelines are clear: Even if it's blanks being shot, anyone in the line of fire is supposed to wear a mask and goggles and stand behind an acrylic shield. Let's hope that New Mexico isn't so addicted to Hollywood money that its police fail to ask hard questions. I see no evidence that Baldwin is culpable, but he nevertheless killed one person and wounded another. His p.r. team is in full swing. I hope that doesn't keep the authorities from putting this "accident" under a microscope.

Khal Spencer

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Khal Spencer

Sad part is that if this was a story about some south side kid accidentally shooting his best friend with a gun that was supposed to be empty, there would be five comments, not over 100. Who dies matters, not how.

Jim Klukkert

Khal Spencer- Tragically, you are so right about "Who dies matters, not how." One hundred thirty comments and counting. I cannot help but see most of this driven by Baldwin's political identity.

Sadly, countless Native and Hispanic women and girls being 'disappeared,' in country and in the border lands as part of the Femicide Epidemic. Countless boys and young men going down the gang road, for lack of our own leadership. Old folks, well let's just not get started ...

It seems we as a culture are largely off the rails. Time for a big step back, no time like the present to reach for our humanity.

Jake Jason

So you're perfectly okay with this. Got it. Off the rails? Look in the mirror, Jim.

David Markun

Jim, please seek some help. I will prey for you.

Jim Klukkert

Thanks David, but I have all the help I need, and tthe freezer is full. I need no more prey to fill it.

Jake Jason

I am starting to think that Jim Klukkert is Killer Baldwin's cousin. LOL

Khal Spencer

Updated Journal coverage.

https://www.abqjournal.com/2439807/baldwin-shocked-and-saddened-at-tragic-accident-that-left-colleague-dead.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1634931943

Someone here earlier mentioned that the union had rules about this. From the Journal piece:

"...Earlier Friday, according to a national news outlet, a California labor union says the prop gun fired had a live round in it and the propmaster was part of a locally-hired crew.

The incident left Director of Photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, dead and Director Joel Souza, 48, injured.

IndieWire reported that the IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent the email to members early Friday morning that said the movie production’s propmaster was not a member of the union.

“Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet,” IndieWire wrote of the email...."

Training?

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Jim Klukkert

SC Doller - the only obvious 'e hotheaded a--hole' here is you SCD.

Your comment is just trash on a shared space, and is a violation of SFNM guidelines, and so will the deleted as abuse.

Enjoy your micro minute of fame on the internet, not much of an achievement, really. Does this sort of horse potatoes make your family proud. Sad to have such a tiny life, much less than the good man you attempt, and fail, to smear.

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Khal Spencer

As Sgt. Schultz of Hogan's Heroes fame would say, "I know nothing..."

Here is something about prop guns from the LA Times.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-what-is-a-prop-gun-how-does-it-work

"...The term “prop gun” includes a variety of weapons, including nonfunctioning guns and cap guns, but also real guns firing blank cartridges, which can pack a punch — and result in death..."

Jake Jason

It was NOT a "prop gun." It was a fully functional Colt .45 revolver. There are photos of it, plus credible reports that the so-called "amourer" allowed those guns (there were three on set) to be used off-set for target shooting; commingled standard ammo with blanks; failed to separate the rounds; failed to secure the guns on set.

Khal Spencer

Seems these prop guns should be fitted with blank firing adaptors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank-firing_adaptor

Frank Grimes

A regular gun can fire blanks, if it is a revolver it requires no modification. If it is a semi-automatic they need to put in a lighter spring so the gun will cycle properly.. but even if you modified the gun to fire banks it doesn't eliminate the ability of the gun to fire live amunition.

Scott Thompson

Like it or not, he should be charged at minimum with involuntary manslaughter. His moviestar status means nothing. Others have been killed with these supposed “prop guns”.

If you legitimately accidentally kill a bicyclist while driving, you are guilty of involuntary manslaughter. If you purposely point ANY gun that fires a projectile at a person and they die, you at very least are guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

No free passes.

Jim Klukkert

Always good to hear AS SOON AS POSSIBLE from the well educated, board certified attorney Scott Thompson.

Oops, not an attorney? Oops, perhaps we should wait until the dust clears, and the actual facts come to light?

Oops Scott! You just have to learn to hold your water, young man.

Emily Hartigan

Does not understand involuntary manslaughter.

Does not understand the law.

Probably more, but at this point we should all recall that we DO NOT KNOW what happened.

Khal Spencer

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angela chavez

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Frank Grimes

We know that Baldwin pointed a gun at the cinematographer and pulled the trigger. Arizona law makes pointing a gun at someone aggravated assault. The fact that he pulled the trigger without bothering to verify whether the gun was loaded or not makes it negligence on his part. Negligent homicide at the very least applies to him. That's simply based on what is known. If he was having one of his anger episodes and pointed it at the person on purpose and pulled the trigger then it goes to a more serious charge.

Jim Klukkert

@ Frank Grimes- as soon as we start relying on Arizona law on film sets, we will be sure to give you a call.

Khal Spencer

"...If you legitimately accidentally kill a bicyclist while driving..."

Explain that, if you will.

Jim Klukkert

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Khal Spencer

oops

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/reports-union-claims-live-round-was-in-prop-gun/article_73bc2302-334d-11ec-b2b6-6f5fe3cd1edd.html

Khal Spencer

Recognizing that new story is not yet confirmed.....

Col. Jeff Cooper's Four Rules

All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.

corollary 1. You cannot tell if a gun is loaded or unloaded unless you understand the gun.

corollary 2. Unless you personally verified a gun is unloaded, its loaded.

corollary 3. If you relinquish an unloaded gun from your control, it becomes automatically loaded.

Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

corollary 1. If it is a stage gun or "prop" gun, return to Rule 1.

Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.

Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Jim Klukkert

Let's just see how fast the personal attacks of Britt Samuel get deleted.

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Jim Klukkert

Let's just see how fast the personal attacks of Britt Samuel get deleted.

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Jim Klukkert

Let's just see how fast the personal attacks of Britt Samuel get deleted.

Emily Hartigan

We don't know.

It seems that one safety protocol is to aim slightly to the side of the person being supposedly shot, just in case. But if the poor woman was, for example, near the camera, the "aside" aim could have hit folks to the side (her and the director) but still too close.

We don't know.

Emily Koyama

Regardless what anyone thinks of Baldwin's politics, I don't think it's relevant to this tragic event.

It's sad that when something like this happens to people of a particular political persuasion, the opposing side celebrates.

This investigation needs to run it's course. Ultimately, there may be criminal charges filed, and certainly civil lawsuits. Who is held accountable remains to be seen. The fact is that it was preventable. That's what makes it so sad.

Jim Klukkert

Well said, Ms. Koyama.

With a tragic loss of life in an event like this, your humane and compassionate response its not only most appropriate, but also most welcome.

Jake Jason

I will save my compassion for the people killed and wounded. Baldwin can afford a shrink.

Jim Klukkert

Jake Jason– we get it, Jake Jason hates Alec Baldwin.

Now take that rant elsewhere, you have made your point, and seemingly have nothing else to add.

Jake Jason

We get it. Jim Klukkert is okay with this, because ... why, again?

rodney carswell

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Steve Martinez

A prop gun is a plastic or wood gun that looks real from a distance. The firearms that shoot blanks, can also shoot real ammo are actual real firearms. If you have one of these, you just don't aim it at anything you don't want to get hurt.

If the firearm actually shot a bullet, and didn't project the blank casing, there is a bigger problem ere, because live ammo is not allowed on a movie set. If a close up of a pistol is filmed, the bullets look real, if they are, they need to be secured before filming resumes.

Abby Crager

This is a horrific “accident” that could have been prevented. With the movie industry having past deaths, due to “prop guns”, you’d think that some kind of gun safety would be mandatory for a movie set, with “prop guns” on set. Gun safety for EVERYONE that has access or could have access to them. Any kind of gun should be handled with respect to the possibility of causing injury. NEVER point a gun, unless you intend to use it.

Scott Thompson

With the technology the movie industry has access to, there is no reason a gun should fired towards anyone.

Jim Klukkert

Scott Thompson - seems you know as much about movie making technology as you do about the law.

Which is nada, nothing, zilch.

You gotta work a little harder here, young man.

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Jim Klukkert

buddah johnson– With your guidance, "NOBODY should EVER point ANY gun at Anyone unless they intend to use it," we will need again make movies in New Mexico.

Such foolish advice, Not going to happen.

P.J. Catanach

I am one of those liberals who would love to see no more guns. But that is in the real world. A movie set is there to provide a medium. It's called a movie! A prop is a tool, just like a pen to a reporter or a hammer to a construction person. Either can be used for good or bad, and can also be in accidents. That is what happened here. My heart breaks for all involved. There was no malice intended. I cannot imagine what those on the set are going through right now...especially Mr. Baldwin.

Godfrey Enjady

Well said P.J.C

Jake Jason

"Especially Mr. Baldwin," it said, not bothering to name the woman he killed or the man he wounded. You are "one of those liberals," and couldn't care less about Baldwin's victims.

Jim Klukkert

wow Jake Jason, you are a mind reader, fully capable of knowing P.J. Catanach's heart and mind, at some distance no less.

Other than your super powers, how could you know the PJC "couldn't care less about Baldwin's victims?"

Unless of course the bile you spew is just more of the Alt-Right agenda driven garbage, designed to pollute the public discourse and drive decent folks away from once civil discussion.

You sir, are a bully, and do not merit the space provided here.

Jake Jason

So you're part of New Mexico's movie industry?

Steve Triay

“It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” Sherlock Holmes from Sir A.C. Doyle’s A Study in Scarlett … whatever the outcome, the victims deserve a full investigation and Mr. Baldwin is entitled to due process. Accident or not this is a tragedy.

angela chavez

I totally agree with you Steve. Lets not add salt to an open womb of the families of the victims, all members of the film industry and especially to Mr. Baldwin and his family.

Jake Jason

Why "especially Mr. Baldwin?" He killed one and wounded one, but you don't even name them. Nope, you worry about the killer. How nice.

Jim Klukkert

Nice is nothing about which Jake Jason should be lecturing others.

Jake Jason

Jim, I hope Baldwin is paying you for your p.r. on his behalf. Are you part of the Flack Professionals, AFL-CIO?

Andrew Lucero

I find it abhorrent and in extremely poor taste that some people are brining Baldwin’s politics into this tragedy. A woman lost her life. Let’s show some respect for the dead. My deepest sympathies go out to her family. I also wish the injured director a speedy recovery. My prayers also go out to Mr. Baldwin. I am sure he is absolutely devastated. It’s no small measure killing a human being. Taking a life inflicts a heavy toll on your soul and psyche. Psychologically, the circumstances don’t matter much. Whether it was an accident or deliberate, justified or unjustified, the end result is the same. Someone is dead. And you killed them. And you must live with that reality every single day of your life. This terrible tragedy had absolutely nothing to do with politics. So instead of trolling, let’s show some respect and compassion to everyone involved. It’s a shame that political tribalism has made some people devolve so much that they have lost their own humanity.

Sean Gonzalez

The New Mexican Should be ashamed of itself allowing comments in the 1st place on news related topics. It really shows what Santa Fe really is nothing but political arguments and no real sympathy for what happened on a “Movie Set”. The ones bringing politics in it need to be evaluated to see if their old heads are screwed on tight and see what their issues are. I hope Baldwins legal team dues the New Mexican and Jim Weber for those absolute foul photos of him outside of the PD.

Moses Townsend

I do agree that the photos were in poor taste and there are some nasty comments. But it is free speech, obnoxious or not. You can’t just censor every comment that makes you uncomfortable and feel bad. Counter argue them, by all means.

Jim Klukkert

Extremely well said Mr. Lucereo. Thank you.

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Khal Spencer

BJ, one only needs a license for concealed carry in NM. As long as he is not a felon, he can open carry, assuming it was an actual serviceable gun. Not sure the law if the gun was unable to fire real rounds.

The fact that the firearm safety protocol was not followed on the set is the real issue. Like the rules taught in hunter safety class, those rules are there for a reason.

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Angel Ortiz

Jose why bother trying to make this into a political issue. Someone lost their life and everyone else on site will be impacted forever. Seeing someone die like this something you never forget. Go enjoy a pizza!

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Miguel Perez

Very well stated. I agree with you 100%!

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Sean Gonzalez

Have you ever heard of making movies and being an actor doing roles in movies? Probably not so I suggest you take your criticism elsewhere and have some empathy in your life. Another one putting political issues into everything instead of using your head to think.

Charlotte Rowe

This is really tragic, both because of the fatality and the impacts on Baldwin. Even "safe" guns can cause harm. I'm so sorry for all involved.

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Khal Spencer

I don't want to dance on anyone's grave, but the irony of Hollywood making its living off of gun violence while deploring it has not been lost on many of us.

Still, this is a horrible accident but my hunch is someone was not following the safety protocols that should have been in place. Sad. Once you pull the trigger, whether a gun loaded with real rounds or a prop gun, there is not a recall switch.

Khal Spencer

Good article in the BBC about "prop guns" and blanks on the movie set. I suggest reading it rather than further speculating.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59006905

Lupe Molina

If it bleed it ledges right? I wish the paper would cover some local issues more in depth. Following the guy down to the sheriff's office to take photos of him distraught with a telephoto lens is pretty ghoulish. Easy clicks I guess.

Patricia McMahon

This is tragic for all of those involved. Whatever comes of the investigation it’s just tragic

Richard Reinders

This is off subject but does anyone know what happened at the Devargas mall Wed eve. there were cops at every entrance with light flashing but nothing in the paper?

Susan Graham

As a native New Mexican, I am embarrassed by the lack of empathy shown in some of these comments. As a performer for over 35 years, I know that tragic accidents do happen, whether on stage or on a movie set. Alec Baldwin is a professional who wouldn’t carelessly fling around a firearm, prop or otherwise. And we don’t yet know what was discharged; it doesn’t have to be a bullet to kill someone. If I had accidentally caused harm to a colleague, I too would be devastated. Mr Baldwin is a kind, concerned man, despite what sensational tabloid stories some of you may believe. Yes, I do know him personally, and I’m sorry some of our local citizens can’t treat him more kindly.

Joseph Tafoya

He is reaping what he has sowed.

Jim Klukkert

Joseph Tafoya taking cheap shots, making the most of a political opportunity when a better man might be offering condolences regarding this terrible tragedy.

Shame on you.

Jake Jason

Jim, stop commingling your politics with this. Thanks.

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Angel Ortiz

Jose, once again. Off topic and you are not well versed in the use of prop guns.

Patti Qualls

You're wrong about Baldwin:. He's a loose Cannon, ready to pounce & been in trouble w/law many times bc of his temper. He could have deliberately shot at these people, enraged about something they did or said!

Kirk Holmes

Spot on Patti. While such a terrible and sad event, he does have well documented / fact based anger management issues. Hope the poor lady didn't loose her life over a parking space incident. Prayers for her and her family!

Jim Klukkert

Patti Qualls– now is not the time for taking cheap shots, making the most of a political opportunity for deeply partisan comments.

A better person, a true New Mexican, would be offering condolences regarding this terrible tragedy.

Shame on you.

Jim Klukkert

Extremely well said Ms. Grahman. Thank you.

Jim Klukkert

Extremely well said Ms. Graham. Thank you.

Jake Jason

But you cannot even bring yourself to name Baldwin's victims. If you are searching for the "lack of empathy," I suggest finding the nearest mirror.

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Nancy Lockland

Thus was on a MOVIE set, very different than REAL life.

Nancy Ebner

Thoughts and Prayers to all Investigation of prop employees and crew feel An Arrogant Trump Supporter to destroy Lives and the Humor of Americans about Presidents throughout time of Course a Narcissist Individual has followers the same!

Nancy Lockland

What does politics have to do with this?

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Sean Gonzalez

It’s called a movie set not a political debate, can’t have a conversation without being political, big shame

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Angel Ortiz

I'm far from being a liberal or a conservative or red or blue. I really dislike when people attempt to toss around political phases in a vain attempt to prove their point. BTW. I served my country and also spent a part of my career in law enforcement. I own weapons but I'm not on of those individuals flaunting my weapons at the Roundhouse.

Lynn k Allen

Sorrow and condolences to all involved. Hope they can recover from this terrible accident. Hope they can be sheltered from disheartening comments while awaiting the truth. Condolences.

Mark Sumpter

Accident? Being careless is a accident? Some died over this careless act . Holding a gun or weapon you can never assume it’s not lethal, even a prop weapon that’s suppose to do what a real gun does, did, so accident?

Frank Grimes

The reality is the powers that be already seem to be trying to change the narrative from what happened. Notice the article and sheriff's office is saying it was a "prop gun". Reality is it was a real gun that may or may not have had blanks in it. A "prop gun" would be something that looked like a gun but wasn't capable of actually firing a bullet or anything else. Also this was a western so where the norm is to use real weapons that are supposed to be unloaded or firing blanks, if it was a sci-fi movie then you might see prop guns.

Charlotte Rowe

Yeah, accident. Maybe remedial English could help you.

Khal Spencer

I'm sure he didn't intend to kill anyone. Accident is a slippery term, sometimes conflated with "acts of god" rather than some being acts of negligence or with fault attached. Some accidents can have legal culpability. Sigh.

B. Rosen

Hard to believe that some folks want to politicize something like this, it was a tragic accident, someone lost their life. This has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. I guess some folks are still upset about Mr. Baldwin’s spoof of the former President.

Nancy Lockland

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Angel Ortiz

R.Rosen. On point! Thanks [thumbup][thumbup]

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Angel Ortiz

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Robin Parker

Jose needs to get a life. So much hatred for "the other" is exactly why this country is so effed up...

Khal Spencer

Every time someone gets shot it gets politicized. What, you want people to cut Baldwin a break because he is a Progressive?

James Lutian

So notorious womanizer and hissy fit thrower Baldwin shoots TWO people, the director and the director of photography (neither of whom were in the film) and it's an "accident." Right...

Charlotte Rowe

What does his sexual habits and activism have to do with this tragic accident? You really need counseling, James.

Jim Klukkert

Thanks Charlotte for pointing out the off topic negativity of the cheap shots by political opportunist James Lutian.

Jake Jason

Jim Klukkert, if you're looking for political opportunists, find a mirror.

Jim Klukkert

James Lutian– if the shot was looking into the gun from the camera POV, that's how a cinematographer gets their head blown away.

I do hope you calm down and get off the insult trail, Throwing such comments in this situation is really bad form.

Ron Flemming

WHY does a PROP GUN have bullets?

Frank Grimes

It wasn't a prop gun. Prop guns don't fire real bullets. This was a real gun I don't know why they keep trying to lie and call it a prop gun. Prop guns are normally used in stage work not in movies. A movie, especially a western will almost always be made using real guns that should simply never be loaded with live rounds. This was a low budget movie so it is possible they didn't bother to hire an armourer or weapon's master to oversee the guns and insure they were handled safely. Of course even if it was only loaded with blanks, if he fired it in close enough proximity to people he could easily injure of kill them. Especially if he was using a double barrel shotgun that is often used in westerns.

Jim Klukkert

Frank Grimes- this was a union shoot, with union rules. There certainly was an armourer.

Jake Jason

There was an incompetent, unqualified "armourer," and an assistant director who had a track record of unsafe handling of guns on movie sets. Basic rules were ignored.

Jake Jason

The union walked off before it happened. Try telling the truth for once, Jim.

Jake Jason

Because it was not a prop gun, regardless of what the gun-ignorant media says. It was (and remains) a real gun.

Derek Gzaskow

dang , caps guns better be used from now til forever

Desertcitizen Desertcitizen

My heart is heavy for Alex and the anguish he is going through. I have no doubt the male crew member accidentally injured is receiving the best of care. I wish him a complete recovery.

The woman killed from a prop gun that should never have injured anyone, is indeed a tragedy for her family, and for all the cast and crew involved in the movie. Safety checks are set in place, but every once in awhile, an accident will happen that brings deep anguish to all those connected to a project.

B. Rosen

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Angel Ortiz

Off topic. Get some coffee bro

Jenni Li

And yet Sean Connery trusted him with a gun in a submarine in The Hunt for Red October...

Sean Gonzalez

Another irrelevant comment to what’s really happening in the article. Keep living in the past

Gene Hill

It's not irrelevant. It indicates Baldwin had experience with movie guns. What is irrelevant to all the trash political commentary this incident generated because Baldwin was a brilliant satirist.

Mark Hobart

It’s known that He’s quite immature. Would not be shocked if he was playing around and accidentally shot them. But, even if he did it intentionally nothing would happen. America’s sick obsession and idolatry of celebrities makes them almost untouchable. As a minimum, he should be charged with manslaughter and arrested.

Jim Klukkert

Right, Mark Hobart, everyone in the business is devastated, no real hard information, and you want to clap the guy in chains and charge him as a felon.

Is this your plan to counter balance "America’s sick obsession and idolatry of celebrities?"

If so, seems you are using the same rubric, though of opposing metrics, to guide your thinking.

Please ditch your unfounded assumptions and consider the following: Kindness, sir, is needed, and kindness is too often lacking.

Richard Reinders

Jim, once again you fail to understand people are entitled to an opinion in a free America, comment about the article not what the commenters say about the article other wise you come off as a bully.

Charlotte Rowe

Richard, once again you display your stunning ignorance of the first amendment.

Richard Irell

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

Jim Klukkert

Richard Reinders- The SFNM comments page was set up for "Lively, vigorous conversation," and I fail to see how conversation would not include rebutals, refutations and counter arguments that necessarily involve commenting on "what the [other] commenters say about the article." So I will continue my commentary and dialogue.

Richard, you once again you fail to understand making those replies in now way denies that other's rights to opinions, speech or anything else here in an ostensibly free America,

So you can lighten up on this repetive pattern of yours, Richard, or not. It does not matter a whit to me if you think me a bully, but getting off that thought train might make for better days for you.

Thank you.

Khal Spencer

Hi Richard. From my experience cluttering these pages with my own $0.02, we often argue with each other as well as comment on the story. My thoughts are if you leave a comment, you are fair game for a riposte as long as it is not ad hominem but a disagreement of ideas.

Richard Reinders

Once again the liberal do what liberal do attack

Carmela Baca

Richard Reminders, aka Richard Barely, you'd know. You're a big bully.

Emily Hartigan

Kindness, and a recognition that we do NOT KNOW what happened.

Mark Hobart

Well, apparently you know jack about weapons. The #1 rule is a weapon is always loaded with live ammo. 2. Never point a gun at anyone as it is assumed to be loaded. As a Producer, Baldwin is in deep kimchee. As an actor he'll be let off. And if you don't realize the masses are obsessed with celebrity...can't help you. And such a horrible death for the lady director. Yes, Baldwin killed her. He really did.

Jake Jason

"Everyone in the business is devastated" by their fear of lawyers.

Sean Gonzalez

Yikes you clearly don’t know how to think logically, if you read you could learn something useful instead of charging at actor that is human like us and way more famous than you and me.

Angel Ortiz

Potentially an issue related to the individual responsible for the prop gun. Sounds like the same situation that occurred with Brandon Lee. Very sad and tragic for all. Prayers.

Sean Gonzalez

Might as well showed the 2 injured people, why show him so upset for what was an accident?

No decency for the traumatic incident. Shame on the New Mexican to throw up those pictures of him.

Desertcitizen Desertcitizen

We see highly distraught images of people on a daily basis. These images of Alex in anguish are not inappropriate in the least. They reflect a very human reaction to a devastating event in which he was personally involved.

Stefanie Beninato

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Charlotte Rowe

Oh, please. Unless you are pathologically voyeuristic, you have no need to see any such thing and it's a shame that the media feels the need to broadcast anyone's trauma.

Khal Spencer

Sounds like basic firearms safety has not been taught to the movie folks. Yikes.

Kirk Holmes

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Andrew Lucero

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Peter Dee

Absolutely false. Not to mention that this is a Union project and those details don’t go overlooked. I would bet that the scene called for a shot aimed at the camera lens. I’m certain more will come out soon.

Jenni Li

For someone who's probably never been closer to a movie production than the stadium seat of the local cinaplex, you sure "know" a lot.

Jim Klukkert

Jenni Li– How would you possibly know what experience Peter Dee has had on set?

and FYI, from one who knows, Dee's comment rings true. Not surprising, as this is a film business town, with more per capita members of the Academy than anywhere besides Hollywood, and a very healthy, vibrant IATSE work force in place!

So M. Li, stick to what you know, and stay away from foolish speculation as to the knowledge of others. Maybe quietly watching & listening will bring you some wisdom.

Khal Spencer

If basic firearm safety was employed, why is someone dead?

Khal Spencer

Well, I'll amend that statement. Whether firearms safety is taught and in the union and production protocols is irrelevant if the safety rules are not followed. The BBC story I posted above goes into that. Including the steps taken when a prop firearm is shot "into the camera".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59006905

Stephen Conn

Poor Baldwin. I like him as an actor and activist but this can ruin a career.

Moses Townsend

I’m sure it will stain his career as in pelple will always remember it. But I can’t imagine it’ll ruin it. It’d be absurd if people didn’t work with him due to an accidental death.

Carol Miller

This is a truly tragic situation. I hope Alec and everyone else at the scene have been provided with counseling and emotional support.

John Smith

Indeed

Jake Jason

Yes, the killer needs "emotional support." If Baldwin needs that, he can hire a shrink, unlike the woman he shot.

Khal Spencer

Not to mention, get someone killed...

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