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Khal Spencer

I love how people always blame capitalism, big business, Republicans, or Anyone But The Person In the Mirror for all the problems of the human race. Just remember, business can't sell something unless you buy it.

The earth survived the Cretaceous warm period quite nicely (see link below). It will survive anything we do, even if we don't survive. I'm confident that one way or another, whether it is war, carbon dioxide, a freak virus worse than Covid, overpopulation, or something else, humans will work towards our own extinction long before Ma Nature has to do it for us.

Extreme global warming of Cretaceous period punctuated with significant global cooling

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150528083818.htm

Happy Earth Day!

Mike Johnson

[thumbup] Indeed Khal, those of us who are educated and trained in paleoclimatology know the earth's long history and the facts about the numerous periods within in it that show the folly of the current hysteria. We also are aware of the place humans fit into all this history. But of course Anthropocentrism, the belief that humans are the most important entity in the universe, is the underlying fallacy in all this thinking.

Howard Marchand

Your M.A. in 1975 from Rice was in Geochemistry, not paleoclimatology. Perhaps you have forgotten.

Mike Johnson

The fake identity "Howard Marchand"'s previous curiously deleted comment said it was an "MS". Were you lying then or lying now? What about the MBA I don't have you reported? I suspect "Howard Marchand" is an employee of this paper, who can selectively delete comments, and is harassing and threatening me because he or she disagrees with my opinions. BTW, you must use geochemistry to study paleoclimatology, but a person like you would not know that, would you?

Howard Marchand

Harassing and threatening you? What a ridiculous comment. You certainly are thin-skinned for someone who so readily attacks others.

Russell Scanlon

That’s just nuts.

Mike Johnson

Indeed Mr. Scanlon, that a previously unknown troll would suddenly pop up for the sole purpose of obsessing over my academic records. I might opine that means this person has none of their own.......and is of course a fake identity.

Mark Stahl

Those of us who know the earth’s history know that there has never been a time with over eight billion humans living on the planet.

Mike Johnson

Agreed, an absolutely true statement. And as scientists, we must consider other dominant species that inhabited the earth, as during the time Khal mentions above, there were over 900 different species of dinosaurs. Studies have shown dinosaurs produced much more body mass than any mammals, up to several thousand times greater per unit of energy consumed. In fact it is estimated the combined weight of dinosaurs was many times greater than all the mammals on earth today. Not to mention all they ate, excreted, etc. And we know what happened to them, yet the earth and the biodiversity of same did nothing but flourish and expand. However, those who have the Anthropocentrism bias in viewing the earth, think only humans matter or can effect anything on earth. But the research shows warmer temps greatly increase biodiversity, so we should understand all the impacts......https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/161222095844.htm

Russell Scanlon

Khal—That’s more than a little disingenuous considering we have had no real options offered for over a century except for oil and coal. Now that we have solar and wind energy as an option we will see how things play out.

My original criticism stands. Why sneer at people who are trying to contribute to a solution and make the world a better place? It’s probably best answered by a therapist and not by people sitting in their armchairs looking down at the rest of us commoners.

Khal Spencer

I'm not sneering at anyone. But solar and wind are far less energy dense than nuclear or fossil so you are talking about huge energy farms rather than compact central facilities. There is no free lunch with energy.

Mike Johnson

And speaking of Earth Day, let's look back on some of the predictions made in 1970, at the first Earth Day. 1."Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” 2. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'”3."Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990." 4.“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.” 5.Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” And of course you don't want to see all the things Paul Ehrlich predicted at that time........just waiting for all the new predictions now......[lol]

Russell Scanlon

Yes I am aware that there are some inaccurate predictions which you very studiously cherry picked. There were also some accurate predictions, including the warnings of glacier melting, rise in temperatures in the arctic regions, the rise in sea levels, and more dramatic and severe cycles of weather which we have experienced. . . As well as record high temperatures and an overall rise in global temperatures.

It makes absolutely no sense that a worldwide cabal of environmental scientists conspired to impose a socialist world order and destroy the fossil fuel industry. It DOES make sense that a company like Exxon-Mobil would hide or skew data to preserve their profits. Which they did.

You can use your “First Amendment rights” any way you want. No one is questioning that—or your right to advertise your diplomas and your considerable resume. The question is why you choose to use those precious rights and your esteemed knowledge and experience to denigrate people who want to pick up trash and plant trees.

Mike Johnson

Dr. Pielke, at the Univ.of Colorado, recently summarized his research for the US Congress about "extreme weather". He said this:“Overall, the most robust global changes in climate extremes are seen in measures of daily temperature, including to some extent, heat waves. Precipitation extremes also appear to be increasing, but there is large spatial variability"

"There is limited evidence of changes in extremes associated with other climate variables since the mid-20th century”

“Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century … No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin”

“In summary, there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale”

“In summary, there is low confidence in observed trends in small-scale severe weather phenomena such as hail and thunderstorms because of historical data inhomogeneities and inadequacies in monitoring systems”

“In summary, the current assessment concludes that there is not enough evidence at present to suggest more than low confidence in a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century due to lack of direct observations, geographical inconsistencies in the trends, and dependencies of inferred trends on the index choice. Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated. However, it is likely that the frequency and intensity of drought has increased in the Mediterranean and West Africa and decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950”

“In summary, confidence in large scale changes in the intensity of extreme extratropical cyclones since 1900 is low”

And again, your assertion that ExxonMobil hid or skewed data about global warming has been tried in court, and found to be false. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

Russell Scanlon

Mr Johnson your assertion that Exxon-Mobil was absolved of any guilt regarding it’s obfuscation of the facts or funding of disinformation campaigns is absolute balderdash.

Mike Johnson

Mr. Scanlon, once again, show me the conviction of ExxonMobil for this offense, it does not exist, you are hallucinating.

Russell Scanlon

Mike if you are referring to the court case in 2019, that singular case did not address the decades of withholding research and funding of disinformation campaigns which are widely acknowledged as fact. And Exxon itself finally acknowledged that it’s activities were contributing to global warming in the early 2000’s.

None of this explains why you insist on injecting toxic negativity to the good intentions of the members of our community who are trying to make Santa Fe and the world a better place to live. That will take come considerable couch time on your part.

Khal Spencer

Yep. I have to admit that shortly before we discovered fracking, I predicted a Hubbert Curve drive rise in gas prices to what was it, ten bucks a gallon? Like everyone else's crystal ball, mine is pretty foggy. But it never hurts to be prudent on things until we prove ourselves wrong.

Mike Johnson

Oh goodie, I can't wait to see this stupidity once again.....

Russell Scanlon

Can always count on the oil guy to ridicule anything that challenges the 150 year old obsolete paradigm of fossil fuel.

Seriously dude—when did your livelihood become more important than the fate of the earth and humanity? I know these are challenging and traumatic issues but save your ridicule for something that is really worthy. People are justifiably concerned that their children won’t be able to breathe in 20 years. And spare us all the fake science and jiggered statistics.

Mike Johnson

You really do not pay attention to what I have said many times do you? Confirmation bias? I told you and others many times I have no financial interests in the petroleum industry and haven't for several years. My opinions are driven by my upbringing, education, and experience in science and the world at large, not by any vested interest in this industry. Try again to discredit my opinions with something that actually makes some sense.

Howard Marchand

You are the former Chairman and CEO of Conoco Gas and Power. No vested interest? No retirement? No stock holdings? We are thankful that you didn't bring up your PhD in paleoclimatology again which is only a product of your imagination. Your only doctorate is an honorary one from NMSU where you donated $2.3 million for the baseball program.

Russell Scanlon

Mike the only purpose of your original comment was to ridicule people who were trying to do something positive and make them feel bad about themselves. Don’t be surprised if you get blowback. I can only evaluate by your previous comments in this forum which have been to deny climate change and shoot spitballs at “radical socialists”.

Mike Johnson

Mr. Marchand, you have no idea what any of those things are. I have no financial interest in ANY petroleum industry company today. And I guess I need to post a photo of my Ph.D. diploma from Rice, my Ph. D. regalia from Rice, as well as a copy of my dissertation under Dr. Baker there. But I can't do that here and regardless, I could care less what you think. And you really have no idea how much I have donated to all my alma maters, do you? Perhaps you should check on how much I have donated to Democratic Party candidates here in NM, start with Lady Di, that was a big one.......

Mike Johnson

Mr. Scanlon, I was not trying to "ridicule" people who want to do things, I was merely using my 1st Amendment rights to point out my opinion of the effectiveness of such actions. IMO, this will made zero difference to the earth's health, temperature, etc. And I do not deny "climate change". Climate change, aka global warming (before all many of disasters were attempted to be tied to increasing CO2 and 1 degree C of temp rise since 1875) is real, it is happening and man's CO2 has some responsibility for that 1 degree C rise. What I deny, based on the science and data, is that the slight increase in temps due to CO2 is a disaster that will lead to the end of life as we know it on earth in a short period of time, so we need to completely restructure our economy and society to go to zero CO2 ASAP. That has no basis in scientific fact.

Lupe Molina

If we're in an enclosed biome in which we're constantly releasing toxic gas, it just makes clear sense that stopping those releases would yield environmental and health benefits. People who are in positions of power only to deny science for their financial benefit are exactly why this country is in relative decline. If China overtakes us economically, we'll all have "Dr." Johnson to thank.

Mike Johnson

Mr. Marchand, if that really is your name (one of my best friends is named Raymond Marchand), you should have better information than what comes out in press releases by one of my alma maters. I can see it is not correct in the list of degrees you quote, nice try, but Google doesn't have all the information in the world. You should know better, whoever you are.

Lupe Molina

Howard, Rice will tell you whether Mr. Johnson received a PhD there. But the multiple articles from NMSU tell us all we need to know. He completed some coursework but never completed the degree. I think the only doctorate Mike has is the honorary one that he paid for.

Mike Johnson

The moderators should be aware that "Howard Marchand" is a fake identity and thus violating the terms and conditions here: "Accounts suspected of using fake identities can be removed from the forum."

Mark Stahl

Look up the word misanthrope.

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