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Tom Hyland

Thanks Jim & Khal & Tammy. I took you up on the suggestion and wrote editor Phill Causus what I hope might be published as a Letter to the Editor. The solution to make the very center of the Plaza, what is spiritually and socially the very center of Santa Fe, a performance stage where EVERYONE can participate and be appreciated, could immediately disappear the rancor. I have cringed at the ideas being tossed about lately. Placing a water fountain sculpture or some temporary art item addressing someone's idea of justice and equality is only a myopic vision that would serve a fraction of the people, and would forever be a friction for the majority. The remedy is standing only 50 feet away. I walked through the Plaza yesterday afternoon. There's no need to pour any concrete. The existing gazebo could slide southward to the center without even harming a tree branch. Probably an electric line will have to be trenched to the new location. Is Mayor Webber reading this? How about the City Council? Someone should forward this article to them. The problem can be solved right now.

Vince Czarnowski

There will be a LOT more of this thanks to the current DA. She needs to be voted out as soon as possible.

Tom Hyland

The sheathed paneling and the wrecked remains of the monument within are going to continue to draw ire and lawless behavior as long as it remains standing. It's only positive presence is to remind everyone what a failure the current mayor is. The cops ain't real swift, either. I've got a remedy for the center of the Plaza. Remove the damaged eyesore and move the current bandstand to that position. Pour a little extra sidewalk to accommodate it's oblong shape. Then we've returned to the original setup of the Plaza, when a performance stage gazebo occupied that spot before the Civil War monument was erected. Bring music and civic events back to the Plaza. Harmony will prevail.

Khal Spencer

That's probably the best idea. Move a bandstand/gazebo over. Save us the sturm und drang of a long, drawn out discussion among wounded parties. And restore the plaza to its historic roots if as you say, this was the plaza in the antebellum New Mexico.

Could even rename the Gazebo as the Smashed Obelisk Memorial Gazebo.

Tammy Tapia

That is an awesome idea!!! I really think that would be a good thing to do. Maybe you should run for mayor. I am not being sarcastic either. This is not going to go well with a box of all things sitting there for anyone and everyone to do as they like with it. I am actually very surprised that it is still intact.

Tom Hyland

I was asked to run for mayor back in 1996 when I painted the "Jaramilloville" sign that replaced the Santa Fe City Hall sign on the front lawn at that location. It was in place only a couple of hours, but it had an effect that lasted quite a while. Mayor Debby had just appointed her brother-in-law the Police Chief and our vast population was shocked and disgusted. I figured "that's how we do things in Jaramilloville" so I set about the task of making it official. A song was playing on the radio shortly after, titled "Wasting Away in Jaramilloville." Good times ensued. I don't think coming up with just one good idea merits a run for Mayor, but really, will the current mayor do the right thing, finally, and make my suggestion into a reality?

Jim Klukkert

I would have thought it a cold day in Hades when I agreed with Tom Hyland, but I'll bet the Devil is putting on his long johns today! [beam]

Mr. Hyland's idea is absolutely brilliant. Music and civic events will restore at least some of the harmony lost in recent times. Putting up a performance stage gazebo is also a quickly achieved goal, that would eliminate the need for an endless discussion on the appropriate replacement. Hyland's suggestion is also an economical step for those concerned for the budget.

As much as I genuinely loved the Obleisk, especially as corrected with the anonymous removal of the word SAVAGES, I always lamented how the large size of the piece placed in the center of the Plaza, so interfered with listening and dancing to the many fine musicians who fill our Plaza with beauty.

Great idea Tom! My sincere thanks to you![thumbup]

Tom Hyland

Thanks to a pal who cracked some smelling salts below my nose. I must have fainted deadaway when I read your comments. Thanks Jim, to you, for applauding my idea. Any capable house moving company could handidly pick up the existing bandstand/gazebo and move it 50 feet south to the center of the Plaza. A lot easier than moving a house. What are we waiting for?

Jim Klukkert

Thanks Tom for your appreciation of your brilliant idea, for your good humor, and especially your pal for the timely application of smelling salts.

I think your idea should be taken to a more public forum, namely as a Letter to the Editor. As this is your idea, and as there is some accolade available to the originator, I would recommend that you write the letter.Despite our disagreements, let me be among many who ackowledge you to be a very capable writer.

If you submit a letter soon, perhaps it would make the Sunday edition, which is of course the most widely read edition.

You have my support, and signature if need be. I am sure there are others, notably Khal Spencer.

Good going Tom. I hope this exchange might be evidence that we have more in common than we have that divides us. Have a great weekend!

Jim Klukkert

Tom- I wrote a little too quickly! I should have written:

Thanks Tom for your appreciation of my appreciation of your absolutely brilliant idea, for your good humor, and especially your pal for the timely application of smelling salts.

I think your idea should be taken to a more public forum, namely as a Letter to the Editor. As this is your idea, and as there is some accolade available to the originator, I would recommend that you write the letter.Despite our disagreements, let me be among many who ackowledge you to be a very capable writer.

If you submit a letter soon, perhaps it would make the Sunday edition, which is of course the most widely read edition.

You have my support, and signature if need be. I am sure there are others, notably Khal Spencer.

Good going Tom. I hope this exchange might be evidence that we have more in common than we have that divides us. Have a great weekend!

Khal Spencer

Seriously. I think Tom has the best idea in the city. It gets around all the reliving of grievance on both sides and puts something up that is in keeping with the city's historical roots but leaves out the gasoline and matches stuff. I threw in the usual gratuitous sarcasm in my earlier comment, but basically give this 100% thumbs up.

Andrew Lucero

He will continue to do this with impunity because he know full well there will be ZERO consequences for his actions... Our worthless District Attorney has set a dangerous precedent.

Barry Rabkin

There is no 'justice' in 'restorative justice.' Justice is being arrested, facing a trial, and sentenced according to the laws of the city or state (or federal government if that applies). Regardless of the costs of a trial or the costs of incarceration.

Gerald Montoya

If they find he mentally able to stand trial, he'll get off with gift card from a coffee shop of his choice and a group hug from the DA's office.

Richard Reinders

If the police were firm in the first place the Obelisk would still be standing, Webber created the problem with his agenda to remove monuments instead of supporting the police.

Kirk Holmes

Laughable. After the recent get out of jail free card dealt by NM’s Monopoly System, who in their right mind really believes justice will be served this time in the “Land of Lawlessness”.

Khal Spencer

Third time is the charm. Toss him in the wood structure and nail it shut.

Kirk Holmes

[thumbup]

Tammy Tapia

YES!!!!!!

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