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Posted: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:00 pm

Dangerous times in Santa Fe — armed robberies, once a rarity, are taking place with alarming frequency.

The latest troublesome incident took place earlier this week in broad daylight. A 17-year-old young woman was robbed at gunpoint at midday. First, the man asked for money. Not satisfied with a few dollars, he flashed a gun. All that, for a haul of 20 bucks. Thankfully, the young woman was physically unhurt, although we would understand her if she is still shaking. Such violence can leave scars on the psyche.

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22 comments:

  • Khal Spencer posted at 10:38 am on Mon, Jul 7, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418

    Mr. Briones is correct. then again, there is that old expression: better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

     
  • Mark Ordonez posted at 8:42 am on Mon, Jul 7, 2014.

    marcoordonez Posts: 659

    "But the problem is not the public safety agencies doing their jobs to enforce the laws and keep us safe "
    So, in your eyes, of course, cops are flawless. LOL you are hilarious Francisco.

     
  • Francisco Carbajal posted at 8:26 am on Sat, Jul 5, 2014.

    FranciscoCarbajal Posts: 222

    What needs to happen is for the public safety agencies (SFPD, SFCOSO, NMSP, USM, FBI, ATF, etc.) to work with the local jail database and identify those criminals that continue to commit those violent crimes in Santa Fe and Santa Fe County. But the problem is not the public safety agencies doing their jobs to enforce the laws and keep us safe - it is the local and state judicial system that is weak in handing down stiffer penalties and longer jail sentence for these criminals. I think the new Police Chief has the right idea about how to collaborate with the other law enforcement agencies on how to identify the criminals who are committing these violent crimes, but he needs the public to generate the support and crime prevention ideas up front. What about a Town Hall meeting on the subject matter for this community?[thumbup]

     
  • Joe Briones posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Jul 4, 2014.

    Philip Pino Posts: 2

    You might also add that once a gun is pulled on or you or you pull one on someone there is a good chance that your life will change and not always for the better,so think before you act

     
  • Joe Briones posted at 7:38 am on Fri, Jul 4, 2014.

    Philip Pino Posts: 2

    If you know of a street near downtown without a NO PARKING sign on let m e know.

     
  • David Giltrow posted at 12:00 am on Fri, Jul 4, 2014.

    dgiltrow Posts: 1

    I would hope the SFPD and city officials would urge businesses (banks and hotels, especially) to improve their security camera systems with high definition cameras, better audio, and improved lighting in parking areas so that there is better data available on suspects. These are business tax deductible improvements. And our legislators and law enforcement officials should push again for NM to have front license plates for all vehicles so witnesses can add a registration number to identify get away vehicles beyond "black Ford 150 pickup".

     
  • Khal Spencer posted at 4:42 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418

    Don't get me wrong, Mr. Hayes. I would encourage more people to think carefully and consider something like a CCW course (or martial arts, etc) if they are willing to put in the time and willing to take on the considerable responsibility of personal self defense. Its indeed too bad that we both seem to agree that in many cases, the default of "giving them what they want" is the best choice. If more street predators thought their avocation was truly dangerous for them, perhaps they would find other lines of work.

    Some fine instructors out there, including one or more at my own Los Alamos Sportsman's Club.

    Peace, through strength,
    K

     
  • Mel Hayes posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Hobson Posts: 117

    Mr. Spencer I am only speaking for myself because I am well qualified to take care of myself. These thugs are cowards who prey on the weak and defenseless. People have to choose what's best for them and in most cases giving them what they want would be the best choice.

     
  • Mark Ordonez posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    marcoordonez Posts: 659

    The Have-nots finally figured out what easy picking the Haves are in Santa Fe, whether they are visiting or can afford to have one of their 5 houses here?
    Let me qualify my statements by saying being pushed into a corner doesn’t have to justify criminal behavior but it can. Poor to middle class locals who have been ignored by employers for out of towners like Thad from Billings MT who wanted to learn more about Georgia O'Keefe and ended up waiting tables at the Inn of The Anasnobbie, Penelope from Clifton Park NY while getting her degree from St. John College realized she is gay, moved in with her girlfriend Vanessa and is now a cashier at Wild Oats, or German exchange student Wolfgang, who came to Santa Fe on vacation with his host family, decided he wanted to learn how to weave rugs, is now a driver for Coca Cola. If the locals thought competing with Thad, Penelope, and Wolfgang for jobs was tough, when this city opened the flood gates to Illegals from south of the border, it devastated many people I know. This paper doesn't want to shine light on the very real animosity local Hispanics and Native Americans feel towards the inundation of illegals from south of the border. After having to deal with the Thads, Penelopes and Wolfgangs, for decades, now thousands of illegals have made us feel even more alienated in our own town and for some, desperate. One person's view.

     
  • Khal Spencer posted at 1:52 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418

    While I agree in theory that given the right circumstances one may choose to not submit to robbery, it is a little late to be pulling out the hand cannon when someone has a gun to your throat. Plus, I doubt all those 17 year olds out there are packing heat. Its a tough call, and I don't think any of us should be giving advice without knowing the details.

    Steve Salazar has it nailed. We need to get rid of the problem actors.

     
  • Khal Spencer posted at 1:50 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418

    We need a few cops like Mick Belker, J.D. LaRue, and Neal Washington roaming around the downtown area. Hopefully, SFPD has them deployed, along with uniformed officers.

     
  • Steve Salazar posted at 12:11 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Steve Salazar Posts: 878

    If there are no NO PARKING signs on the street, you can park there.

     
  • Steve Salazar posted at 12:10 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Steve Salazar Posts: 878

    What if you aren't armed, how to defend yourself against someone who is armed?

    It would be better to get those panhandlers the heck out of town before they do any robbing.

     
  • Mel Hayes posted at 11:48 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Hobson Posts: 117

    I agree Mr. Perea I do not depend on the police to be there to protect me, I can do that myself and like you I will retaliate. I do not and will not live a life of fear.

     
  • Patricio R. Downs posted at 11:46 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Patricio Downs Posts: 41

    About 20 years ago I lived in Austin, TX. Anyone who has ever been there knows about the Warehouse District and 6th Street (live music venues - clubs, bars, etc.). Neither one is particularly well-illuminated at night; yet, it was completely safe for anyone to walk there at night. Why?

    On several occasions, I met up with officers from the Austin Police Department. They were friendly and made it a point to let people know that they were in the neighborhood. It wasn't a "police state" type of presence; it was more of a "we're just trying to make sure pickpockets stay away and drunks don't drive" vibe. It could be done here if you get a person with the right personality to be an officer with that particular beat.

     
  • Martín Perea posted at 11:45 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Boombastic Posts: 2

    It is legal to defend one's self and others against harm.

     
  • Michael Murray posted at 9:48 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Mike M Posts: 62

    Santa Fe is a sanctuary city. When the word goes out "we ignore the law" what kind of message does that send? Sanctuary for criminals indeed.

     
  • Martín Perea posted at 9:24 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Boombastic Posts: 2

    Hand over money or a purse without an argument?!! Excuse me?! If someone threatens my life or safety or the life or safety of another would be victim, I will retaliate with deadly force.

    Suggesting that citizens or visitors accept being victimized simply empowers the criminals and encourages more crime. Please people, stand your ground and defend yourselves!

     
  • Pierce Knolls posted at 8:50 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 1688

    Mayor Coss' plan to eliminate homelessness in Santa Fe by 2012 was a farce. All it did was make Santa Fe more welcoming to vagrants, miscreants, and transient ne're-do-wells. Now a visit downtown, or to just about any busy strip mall or shopping center in town, exposes one to packs of aggressive panhandlers and invasive hobos. A sharp object and an opportunity are all it takes to turn an aggressive panhandler or desparate hobo into a mugger.

    I somehow lack any confidence that Coss' hand-selected and union-bought replacement, Javier Gonzales, will do anything effective about the plague of criminal transients he brought down upon Santa Fe. Especially since Javier's new police chief is more focused on the morale of his union police force than he is on crime prevention.

     
  • Carlos Guthrie posted at 7:30 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    CarlosG Posts: 33

    For the longest time, the city had a too lax attitude towards the panhandlers in town, hanging out on the Plaza. The word was out that Santa Fe is a easy town, they took the train up from ABQ for the day. They got buskers licenses. They took over the Bandstand selling dope, urinating and harassing people. Only then took the city a stance and corded off the Bandstand. The merchants around the Plaza brought this up the the city over the last couple of years, but nobody cared. Now the panhandlers meet at the fountain on Water Street and you can't walk from the parking lot without being asked for money. many days there are more than 4 police officers hanging on the Plaza plus 1-2 Public Safety officers..really?

     
  • Alfred Padilla posted at 6:57 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Xenoace32 Posts: 341

    On my road there are “no parking signs” and people still park on the road and BLOCK traffic. This is a safety issue and that officer had every right to ticket that vehicles. All roads need to remain clear for all emergency vehicles 24/7 so quit your biznitchin!
    [angry]

     
  • Donald Sure posted at 6:12 am on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

    Older and wiser Posts: 94

    On Wednesday morning I was awakened by the sound of a car sitting with the engine idling. It was about 5:00 a.m.. I looked out the window and watched as the officer proceeded to write a parking ticket for a vehicle parked with two wheels on the curb. The sidewalk was unobstructed.

    I am not sure why the officer chose to write a ticket at that time and place, but I am quite sure that there was no pedestrian traffic, and very little if any vehicle traffic.

    I guess that by the time the officer was writing this ticket, all of the burglars, thieves and drug dealers were asleep leaving this officer with time to attend to such matters.

    I am usually a supporter of law enforcement, and will continue to be so, but I cannot condone the use of the 10 minutes or so to address suh a trivial issue. If you want to build support from the community, perhaps the officer should have left a note, rather than a ticket, for the owner explaining the violation. This, i am sure, would have the same result tht was intended, compliance with the law.

    Sorry officer, you missed a great chance. Yes technically there was a violation, but there are more than one way to address a simple violation that was not causing any danger to members of the neighborhood.

     

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