PNM under fire over coal, nuke power in plan

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Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:00 pm

Public Service Company of New Mexico’s latest plan for providing power to half a million customers over the next two decades is drawing fire from renewable energy and environmental advocates over a proposal to add more coal and nuclear power.

The plan by PNM, the state’s largest electric utility, includes a proposal to replace power from two units at the coal-fired San Juan Generating Station with a mixture of sources including coal, natural gas, nuclear power and solar energy. The plan was filed last week with the state Public Regulation Commission.

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  • Richard Jacob posted at 11:04 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

    Richard Dean Jacob Posts: 60

    p.s. Colleen you say that LENR is still trying to sell itself to venture capitalists (to fund wishful thinking) .. well, yeah .. something like that .. in fact earlier this year one of the LENR front-runners E-Cat received $11 million in first-round financing from a sophisticated US investor group (14 investors) .. (please no Bernie Madoff flim-flam remarks) .. I have a PDF I'm working and will soon have done titled
    An R&D to Marketplace Analysis for Investors ..
    it's shaping up great .

  • Richard Jacob posted at 7:09 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    Richard Dean Jacob Posts: 60

    You mean the web-site I provided .. sure .. if you're going to take piece-meal attacks that make little to no sense I can't help that .. there's all sorts of clear data from the sources I listed and lots of other (that I can lend if you'll be clear and specific) .. have you read all my posts here? (I can't tell) .. if you ever had the chance to sit down and talk this with Dr Storms (like I have) you would be a lot more clear and educated and enlightened on CF/LENR .. and please: TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY GO OVER ALL THIS .. this is all FAR beyond mere wishful thinking .. maybe you should read what I just wrote once more - and while you're at it go back over my other posts (and look up my New Mexican op-ed article) and do some opened-minded CF/LENR reading that may very well have you thinking: I didn't know that! .. so please go to this and numerous others .. it's a fascinating world .. lenr-forum.com - Cold Fusion Fact or Fiction? .. have a stab at it .

  • Colleen Harper posted at 6:38 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    MsColleen Posts: 78

    Richard, your own website, LENRproof.com, clearly makes weasel-room statements such as "Commercial LENR energy generation, if/when it arrives" and "LENR appears to be far stronger than any known chemical reaction".

    Any proven scientific principle would be backed up with solid statements and with clear data. Even your own listed webesite doesn't rise up to anything more than propaganda pitched at hoping it will accomplish high goals.

    I've devoted myself to science. I don't fall for hypotheticals, I look for factual data. Your LENR doesn't have published, factual data. It's still trying to sell itself to venture capitalists to keep funding wishful thinking.

  • Richard Jacob posted at 6:25 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    Richard Dean Jacob Posts: 60

    For starters you don't seem to be reading or taking in my posts or showing any objectiveness or willingness to learn what's been going on the the Cold Fusion/LENR field and its latest R&D developments .. the "electricity too cheap too meter" was a blurb from Forbes magazine (who had someone in their editorial department that was diligently looking into CF/LENR and reporting his findings) .. of course it can be metered - but for power utilities like PNM, for example, the market pie revenue is going to be much smaller and they're going to have to go back to the drawing board to stay in existence and find ways to make money and even thrive .. I have a state-of-the-art PDF report titled POWER UTILITIES ON THE EDGE: Repositioning In Today's Commercial Market - The LENR Challenge / Mega Opportunities that anyone can request .. I don't understand why you keep saying that LENR has not been demonstrated/proven - that's not true at all .. also: last fall I held a CF/LENR science documentary film screening on this very subject with one of the world's foremost CF/LENR authorities Dr Edmund Storms of Santa Fe (he was one of the star characters in the movie - The Believers - produced by 137 Films of Chicago) .. just last Monday a new CF/LENR explanatory book was released by Dr Storms .. so you assert: fraud and conmanship .. that's not the case at all .. please do more reading .

  • Richard Jacob posted at 1:34 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    Richard Dean Jacob Posts: 60

    Colleen you are on auto-react like so many other people where it comes to Cold Fusion/LENR .. contact me via Facebook if you want and I'll send the PDFs I've made concerning this .. it's really interesting to get up to date on this breaktrhough subject .. a couple weeks ago the New Mexican published an op-ed of mine on this very topic .. this is no utopian unicorn .. the cold fusion dream not only lives on it's here - and it's THE answer for PNM .

    Summarizes the web site of lenrproof.com: "With the head scientist at NASA Langley Research Center saying LENR is confirmed, along with validation from labs at Toyota, Mitsubishi, and STMicroelectronics as well as Amoco and US Navy research sites, including courses on the Fleischmann-Pons effect at MIT and working replications of the Celani LENR reactor at academic institutions around the world and hundreds of peer reviewed scientific papers, professors and Nobel prize winners are saying it's real and that patents are now being granted. The case that LENR is a real working energy system is proven."

  • Colleen Harper posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    MsColleen Posts: 78

    Did you read the part of the article where PNM wants to sell their nuclear-generated electricity from their Arizona Palo Verde Nuclear Power plant to New Mexico residents rather than on the open market -- because they can charge their New Mexico customers more than they can achieve on the open market?

    Therefore, PNM wants to make MORE profits off the electrical power their Palo Verde plant is already generating, since the New Mexico customers will not be allowed to negotiate lower prices as commercial customers can.

  • Colleen Harper posted at 12:41 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    MsColleen Posts: 78

    We've already had past promises of "electricity too cheap to meter", and those promises (for nuclear fission) never materialized. No form of "LENR" has been satisfactorily been demonstrated, along with the scientific explanation how it works, to this date. The best we have is a "demonstration" that knowledgeable scientists are not allowed to closely examine to protect against fraud and conmanship.

  • Colleen Harper posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    MsColleen Posts: 78

    Cold fusion has not been proved. It simply has not been replicated by anyone reputable. The current cold fusion proposals are hypothetical, not fully developed. Keep dreaming.

    Hot fusion has not been able to do more than prove in the latest single-shot tests that they can finally produce more energy in return than is invested in the single shot of the experiment. Keep dreaming.

    Fission is still the only form of nuclear power that is currently ready to generate power, and it has tremendous obstacles, such as the storage and isolation of nuclear waste for millions of years.

    Since we are discussing the future of PNM power generation in the next few years, we simply must confine ourselves to practicalities, not future fantasies.

  • Richard Jacob posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Richard Dean Jacob Posts: 60

    You're generically lumping together NUCLEAR terminology .. there's 'FISSION' that splits atoms and releases radioactivity and there's 'FUSION' that fuses atoms together and gives off tremendously extreme heat for energy generation with no radiation .

    Also: the energy released by 'FUSION' is three to four times greater than the energy released by 'FISSION' .

    Cold Fusion (a chemical-turned-nuclear lab reaction at room temperature instead of at least 50 million degrees) was the big scientific announcement and media buzz word in 1989 .. LENR (low energy nuclear reaction) is now more the term to use as some of the successful exotic energy technologies of late may be either 'fusion' or 'electron capture' .

    With viable (virtually-free) LENR energy now becoming a commercial reality there is no reason for Fission, Coal, or Gas or even Wind or Solar-Electric .. even if Solar-PV were to ever achieve 100% efficiency it doesn't come close to the unfathomable energy released by LENR .. LENR is an industry-disruptor to the max .. you can output tremendously more energy on a table-top with LENR than with an entire wind farm or solar array .

  • Khal Spencer posted at 4:51 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 1237

    Coal is only a good idea if the cost of carbon sequestration as well as conventional pollutant sequestration (including Uranium, Thorium, and their progeny) is added to every kilowatt-hour, and nuclear when new reactor designs pass a cost-benefit test that includes failure modes.

    We need to stop flogging nuclear every time a fifty year old design breaks all the while stonewalling new reactor technologies.

    Use renewable energy and conservation whenever we can.

    We don't put all power generation sources on an equal footing by subjecting them to a present and future cost-benefit analysis. Coal may seem cheap now, but only because we don't take into account the future costs of climate change nor do we require CO2 to be trapped as a harmful byproduct of power generation. Of course, the old "too cheap to meter" claims of nuclear turned out to be a little overstated.

    Living only in the present is easy, but doesn't do much to help chart a sustainable future. There is no free lunch when it comes to power generation.

  • Richard Jacob posted at 1:43 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Richard Dean Jacob Posts: 60

    The plan CHAVA Power-Tech of New Mexico has advanced is ultimately head and shoulders above the rest - nuclear, coal, gas, solar or wind .

    Electricity Production and Coal

    One of the first sectors to be impacted by Cold Fusion/LENR will be electricity production. Widespread use of LENR would lead to the collapse of the coal industry. This will significantly reduce the price of electricity.

    Cold Fusion Tech Picked Up by Major US Partner:
    prepares for launch in American and Chinese energy markets
    Today, the big news is that a large US investment company has acquired the rights to Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat cold fusion technology. That investment company, Cherokee Investment Partners, is interested in deploying the cold fusion technology commercially in both China and the US.
    Cold fusion, also known as low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR), is a technology that promises to create huge amounts of green energy from very cheap fuel. In the case of Rossi’s E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer), nickel and hydrogen are fused into copper — a process that has 10,000 times the energy density of gasoline, and 1,000 times the power density.

    Compact low energy nuclear reaction units (radiation and toxic byproduct free) like the E-Cat And Brillouin’s LENR boiler will revolutionize the electric power industry.

    Retrofit coal power plants w/ LENR .

    According to Forbes magazine this electricity would be too cheap to meter.

    “Total replacement of fossil fuels for everything but synthetic organic chemistry.” –Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny, NASA

  • Thomas Carlson posted at 1:27 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Thomas Carlson Posts: 147

    PNM is in it for the money, of course. Last year solar power became cheaper than coal in southern NM. Problem is... power companies (especially in NM and AZ) can't figure out how to turn a profit from roof-installed solar. They (and big oil and gas) have sent their lobbyists with cash in hand to bribe politicians into supporting their point of view. So far, they have been the winners.

    "In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes"... Didn't I read that in a book somewhere?

  • Joseph Hempfling posted at 11:23 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    joehempfling Posts: 533

    Can"t believe how PNM can continue to ignore the handwriting on the wall and continue to follow antiquated energy policies of the past; mainly maintaing PROFITS
    at any cost. Fossil Fuel is nearly exhausted according to most scientific studies; Renewables available and less damaging, if at all, yet we insist on scuttling the very planet we live on, rather than waking up and changing course. Germany where a sunny day is a declared holiday; gets over 75% of its energy from renewables.!!The technology is here now; what is lacking is MORAL COURAGE and Leadership before it is too late. Wake up Amerika !

  • Dr. Michael Johnson posted at 9:24 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Mike Johnson PhD Posts: 1581

    Typical enviro-lobby special interests wanting to get their nests feathered and the ratepayers pay the higher bills and get fleeced. Hang in PNM, thank you for trying to keep our electric rates low by using the most reliable, dependable, and cheapest forms of energy.

  • Greg Mello posted at 6:37 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Greg Mello Posts: 49

    The New Energy Economy/Sierra Club plan is better than PNM's for ratepayers, for the environment, and it may even be better -- several months have passed since NEE brought interested parties together for a briefing and I do not recall this particular point -- for PNM's investors.

    PNM, like so many companies, appears to be caught up in ideological attachment to its fixed coal-burning and nuclear assets. The PNM executive suite is at best lazy, seeing no compelling reason to increase renewables or decrease greenhouse gas emissions beyond convenient minor improvements.

    NEE's plan however, while better than PNM's for electricity users and probably for the firm itself, is not all it should be either. Natural gas is just as bad for our climate as coal, though far better for humans and waters downwind. Because the NEE plan, like the PNM plan, relies on natural gas and allows two coal-fired units to remain open indefinitely, it will not help our climate crisis and does not do much for employment or economic development in the state. These are not considerations to which the PRC can much attend, but the rest of us must.

    The NEE and perhaps especially the Sierra Club do not want to grasp the whole nettle, and mislead the public to that extent. Their proposal will NOT much protect the climate, and does nothing for the poor. Revolutionary changes, not tweaks to the present system, lie just ahead.


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