In death by police bullets, Boyd has become a cause

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  • Randal Doering posted at 12:35 pm on Sat, Apr 12, 2014.

    Neodoering Posts: 47

    I am schizoaffective and have been through several tense standoffs with police, and it's always terrifying because I'm 50 years old and have seen enough incidents like this one to know that the cops have itchy trigger fingers and my illness may not allow me to take that into account. If you want to know what it's like to have schizoaffective disorder read my memoir, "Randal, Randal Burning Bright" available on amazon.com. Also, I wrote a novel about a man with schizoaffective disorder, entitled "Indian Spirits", which is a murder mystery set in Santa Fe, also available on amazon.com. Read these books, and educate yourself about mental illness!

    As far as this situation goes, the question is whether or not Boyd had a knife in his hand when police shot him. The cops knew they were dealing with a violent offender who has attacked officers in the past, and they were twitchy. If Boyd drew a knife, the cops were justified, due to his history, in shooting him.

    The media seems to feel Boyd should be given a free pass due to his mental illness. Mental illness is not a free pass to do harm to others, and that's what Boyd was doing, harming others. Multiple counts of sexual contact with minors, and several assaults on police officers. This was a violent man with a violent illness, and he died violently. This is hardly a poster boy for liberal causes.

  • Krishna Zane Lopez posted at 8:49 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Krishna Posts: 6

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  • Khal Spencer posted at 10:39 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418

    ...sound of light bulb turning on....

  • Francisco Carbajal posted at 6:58 pm on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    FranciscoCarbajal Posts: 219

    Where is New Mexico NAMI on assisting the idea of improving the crisis intervention training programs for the law enforcement and first responder's in NM? Where is NM State Behavioral Collaborative on this issue? The current state behavioral contract with OPTIUMHEALTH isn't working for addressing and improving these crisis intervention teams (CIT) and training programs for the law enforcement community either! Where is the Association of NM Counties; the Municipal League of New Mexico; the NM Association of District Attorney's; and the NM Association of Public Defender's on this issue? Where is? Where is? Where is? Now, the public should not be blaming APD for all the ignored social problems that exist relating to the mentally ill population in their municipality or the entire state. So, stop blaming APD for the ills of a neglected mental health system in our state. The failure of all the entities mentioned in my posting in addressing the lack of being proactive for providing more mental health services for the mentally ill population is far more a larger monster than what the Albuquerque City Council, the Mayor, and their City Attorney can ever address by themselves. The incoming DOJ findings is not going to make a difference in the end either! Blame, Blame, Blame, nothing will get done in Albuquerque. NADA!

  • Mark Ordonez posted at 2:00 pm on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    marcoordonez Posts: 661

    Dad gummit, I done forgot

  • Charlie Grapski posted at 10:59 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    cgrapski Posts: 1

    A Police Badge is not a "License to Kill" http://t.co/Rn9GZzOnV9 Petition: http://t.co/pXNA170Nt2 #JamesBoyd Sign & create a paper trail

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 8:47 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 1675

    Don't you know that our 1st Amendment right to free speech and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances is only valid as long as we're not questioning the actions of our police overlords?


  • mark mocha posted at 6:37 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    brnfre47 Posts: 210

    What a bozo. First of all, what does Obama have to do with any of this. And for that matter who I support has nothing to do with this either. But since you asked I support those who practice common sense, something that is sorely lacking these days.
    Questioning authority is not only our right as citizens it is our duty. It's what keeps this democracy ticking. To blindly accept their take on what happened is not only idiotic it is also shameful, especially when the video proves their version to be highly suspect.
    You see, I was born with a brain and unlike many I choose to use it.
    Lastly, I am quite capable of taking care of myself and my family and after watching that video 911 would probably not be my first call.

  • David Keenan posted at 2:21 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    David Keenan Posts: 1

    Boyd seems doomed from birth. A victim of inherited mental illness, an abusive father, care workers & flawed justice & police systems. A classic victim turned perpetrator

    Where I live in England & Wales, population 56 million, our police face situations similar to this & worse. They are trained in containment. Their first priority is public safety, followed by striving to protect the lives of criminals.

    This may seem odd to some Americans, but preservation of life is our highest priority here. And that includes the lives of even the most heinous members of our society.

    Some people are just born wrong, but mostly people are corrupted. Boyd was both. But he only occasionally posed a danger to others. This was not one of those occasions

    Surrendering with no knives in his hands, he was assaulted & quickly shot without just cause

    America needs to stop burying its problems!

  • Philip Taccetta posted at 3:23 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    PhiltheElder Posts: 188

    Ryan - you keep trying to justify the police shooting him. Threatened with a knife? Give me a break! Anyone that saw the video could tell he wasn't close enough to hurt anyone with a knife and was turning away as well. What the police did was unconscionable, unwarranted and unnecessary! At least bears are shot with tranquilizer darts!
    And you're damn right I'm a liberal!

  • Ron Romero posted at 2:44 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    RonRomero Posts: 44


  • Juan Blea posted at 2:39 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    jblea Posts: 18

    Hello Mr. Newman (et al). What's being lost in all of this blaming and defending (either the police or the mentally ill) is the fact the story provided a strong case history of an entire set of systems failing a person. The court system failed Mr. Boyd, the correctional system failed Mr. Boyd, and the social services system failed Mr. Boyd. The truth of this story is that, while perhaps the officer could have opted for non-lethal force, had any system actually been able to screen, diagnose, and treat Mr. Boyd for whatever specific ailments from which he suffered, the shooting probably wouldn't have happended.

    We are all responsible for these sytemic failings; we want someone else to take responsibility, but it is up to all of us to look inside our own families and lives and learn as much as possible and provide some kind of resource. It may sound Pollyanish and idealistic, but to me, doing something to help stem the growing tide of mental illness seems better than blaming anyone else.

  • Mark Ordonez posted at 1:11 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    marcoordonez Posts: 661

    "So don't talk about those officers and whether the shooting was justified unless you’re willing to take an oath of office and put on a uniform! "
    Oh brother, what a pile of steaming ca-ca. F.U. and trying to censor voices of dissent. Just because they go to the academy, get a badge and a gun, does not make them saints or justified in their EVERY action. Jesus Christ man, you and your ilk act like cops walk on water. Everyone on these boards has different experiences with police that your feelings and words of blind allegiance won't undue. Nor will your name calling or attempts of demeaning us. Law enforcement seems to attract at times (I'm being nice here) violent, predatory, blood lusting, no value for life folks like yourself. We don't need to be a cop or go on a ride along to understand the stench of arrogance most with a badge and a gun possess. IMHO.
    "Just place yourself on that hill with an armed violent mentally ill person who just pulled out a knife...I'm thinking you might feel like you were in danger right? Well I guarantee the officers did." REALLY? DOUBT IT. 3 hours, how many cops, guns, bullets, and these knobs weren't able to stabilize a man with oooooo knives? You and the cops problem is this, you assume EVERYONE that you/they come in contact with is that MONSTER looking to slit your throat. How are civilians to survive with cops and cop justifiers like you?

  • Ryan Newman posted at 10:50 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Jameson Posts: 13

    I'm actually somewhat of a conservative but I'm very open to issues. You really need to understand what an officers training entails when it comes to deadly force. It is what the officers perception was at the time. It's not fair to Monday morning quarterback this or any other incident. Let's just pretend that you had it in you to be a cop and carry a gun. Hold on I know that's hard to image but yes guns are necessary, and you were in that exact situation. Just place yourself on that hill with an armed violent mentally ill person who just pulled out a knife... I'm thinking you might feel like you were in danger right? Well I guarantee the officers did. Everybody assumes the officer was wrong whenever APD has a shooting but remember the kind of people they are dealing with. See in this day and age, even though you won't recognize it, there are monsters in this society that will slit your throat and take your life in a second for nothing more than a dirty look. So don't talk about those officers and whether the shooting was justified unless your willing to take an oath of office and put on a uniform!

  • Mark Ordonez posted at 10:43 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    marcoordonez Posts: 661

    Haunting words Ryan. Awakening proof, some humans have so far to go in the evolution process. Hopefully you won't procreate. But if you do/did, chances are your offspring and their offspring will shed the hate you no doubt have or will instill in them. That is if your ilk haven't destroyed the Earth God has given us.
    Label me what you will Ryan. Sticks and stones from a very sad and un-evolved man like yourself won't affect me.

  • Ryan Newman posted at 10:42 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Jameson Posts: 13

    Boyd was! If you read the article he was charged at 15 with criminal sexual contact of a minor and as an adult he was charged with criminal sexual penetration of a minor among other things.

  • Wynema Marshall Gonzagowski posted at 1:57 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Wynema_Gonzagowski Posts: 6

    A "rapist"??? Really??? I saw what was written and NOWHERE did it call him a 'rapist' He was 15 and arrested for sexual contact with a minor... We do not know the age, it could have been another 15 year old for all we know... He was a minor himself..... He was 18 and arrested again for sexual contact with a minor who for all we know was 17 or even almost 18 since we again do not know the details... NOWHERE does it say he was a 'rapist of children'

  • Wynema Marshall Gonzagowski posted at 1:54 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Wynema_Gonzagowski Posts: 6

    WOW!!! Just WOW!!!!

  • Wynema Marshall Gonzagowski posted at 1:53 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Wynema_Gonzagowski Posts: 6

    Exactly WHO is a 'child rapist"???

  • Thomas Tickner posted at 9:28 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    stlbrz Posts: 4

    Ryan Obviously you are the narrow minded person here. Conservatives uugh. I understand what the majority understands. APD blew it on this one. Don't believe your lying eyes. There will be action taken by the DOJ and the FBI to help insure APD gets the proper training. So simple even a conservative can get it.

  • Ryan Newman posted at 7:48 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Jameson Posts: 13

    Liberals ugh! I will say that police need training when it comes to mental illness but what your not understanding is that mental illness isn't a free pass to pull knives on officers and threaten to kill them. You will never understand this until someday something happens to you and then you can see how it feels to be in a life or death situation. But for you I'm sure you'll be tucked away in your small narrow minded world where everyone loves everyone and child rapists don't exist because it's obvious you won't even address that topic? All you'll do is refer to mental illness and use your cop outs on taking responsibility for actions. Your right more people will die and rightfully so! If you threaten an officer or any other human then deadly force can and should be used. I'm not going to wait to see if I can reason with someone that is mentally ill!? That would mean I was more mental than them! So when a "Mentally Ill" person has a gun to your head I hope the officer there takes his time to check if he's on his medication and try and talk to his doctor... Meanwhile hope crazy guy doesn't decide to pull the trigger while the officer is looking for ways to be understanding and show the love you speak of!

  • Thomas Tickner posted at 7:27 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    stlbrz Posts: 4

    Ryan Newman. I am an Obama supporter. The best man for the job was elected. Twice. You are off topic.

  • Thomas Tickner posted at 7:23 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    stlbrz Posts: 4

    Karen, we are concerned with the treatment of all that come into contact with the police. Alcoholism and mental illness are diseases that lead to "bad parenting". I for one do NOT believe this is a corrupt community. Albuquerque is a great city. Our police need to learn better techniques to deal with the mentally ill.

  • Thomas Tickner posted at 7:17 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    stlbrz Posts: 4

    Ryan Newman obviously knows next to nothing about mental illness. APD is sadly lacking in training to deal with people like Mr. Boyd. The video says it all. This situation needs to be resolved because APD will be dealing with others with mental illness. If nothing is changed there will be an even longer list of deaths by untrained police.

  • Pam Walker posted at 7:11 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    lilbit Posts: 68

    Very sad story and totally points out the struggles of the mentally ill in New Mexico. I will not bash the police here. If they knew who he was and violence that he has been arrested for before they probably made the right call here. It is the polices job to protect the public. This man with his record was a walking time bomb. Sad that he had to go out this way but a danger to society.

  • Karen Spehar posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    ramah Posts: 1

    I am very disturbed that we are more concerned with the life a a career violent criminal, a rapist, a violent repeat offender than the safety of our police officers. This is just another example of horrible parents having children, refusing to care for them and then expecting society to pay the price. It is disturbing that this rapist of children has become a symbol, a cause in our already corrupt community.

  • Ryan Newman posted at 5:48 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Jameson Posts: 13

    Oh and if you do some research APD did try less lethal force prior to Mr. Boyd forcing his own death!

  • Khal Spencer posted at 5:40 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418

    To be clear on that thumbs down below. I generally support the cop's decisions on these things. When I got involved in county government up here as a county board volunteer, the first thing I did was take the Citizen's Police Academy training so I had at least a small flavor of being in the guy in blue's shoes and I respect their position. I agree that the APD is often up against some bad situations and the really bad situations (read Leslie Linchicum's piece in today's Journal) make one want to protect one's self first and worry about the other guy second.

    That said, anyone who watched that lapel video and thinks the shooting was justified has a lot of explaining to do. Why APD didn't call in the specialists on psychiatric situations is just unfathomable. There was a long time between when the situation first developed and when the final shooting occurred.

    Very good op-ed in the Albuquerque Journal today, and some really balanced investigative pieces. Its time to fix the problems rather than point fingers or lay down on the Interstate (fix the outpatient indigent psychiatric care, pass a Kendra's Law, have better police training). Let's put our money where our mouths are on fixing all the problems.

  • Ryan Newman posted at 5:35 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Jameson Posts: 13

    Mark Mocha let me guess besides being ignorant are also an Obama supporter, easy call. Love and understanding you say, maybe you should ask the children that Boyd molested if he showed love and understanding when he committed those crimes. Did you not read the article the felon was jailed for criminal sexual contact of a minor and indecent exposure as a juvenile and rape of a minor and unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon as an adult. Do you have children? Maybe you could have treated Boyd with your love and understanding in your home and with your children around to be his next victims? Your outlook Mark along with all the other "Let's just love everybody" loons is the problem with this country and why its headed down hill. Truth is Boyd was a violent paranoid schizophrenic who caused his own death. You should be outraged that people like him are able to walk free and cause these kind of problems. If you had any knowledge regarding law enforcement you would understand that the police do bring guns to knife fights and use them what they don't do is bring a bean bag gun to a knife fight with a violent felon paranoid schizophrenic who thinks he ABBA, idiot! Do all law enforcement a favor and if you ever have an emergency don't call 911 just hug whoever is trying to hurt you and show them some love and understanding.

  • mark mocha posted at 4:27 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    brnfre47 Posts: 210

    Anyone who thinks that this was a justified shooting needs mental health treatment. There are several options available to law enforcement before deadly force should be taken and these bozos tried none of them. They wanted to shoot and so they did. What Mr. Boyd needed was long term treatment. What the Abq. police need is long term training. And FYI, most big city police departments give officers extensive training in dealing with mental health issues since most offenders these days have some sort of mental health issue..... as well as some posters on this site. How about a bit of love and understanding and a little less kill them all and let God sort it out.

  • Steve Salazar posted at 1:27 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Steve Salazar Posts: 872

    Bullets before beanbags, justified, my keister.

  • Khal Spencer posted at 1:03 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 418


  • Andrew Lucero posted at 12:41 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Andrew Lucero Posts: 132


  • Ryan Newman posted at 12:17 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Jameson Posts: 13

    The truth that nobody wants to hear is that the police are justified in this shooting and here's why. Officers were faced with an armed subject that although appeared to be complying with their requests changed into a an armed threatening subject with a knife and the officer's proximity to him was close enough to justify the use of deadly force. It looks to me and should be explained by APD that when Boyd began to comply the officers planned on surprising him thus the first shot from the non lethal and then taking him into custody. The officers were not and should never allow an armed subject to just walk to them and then handcuff them as if they were a compliant unarmed person it doesn't work that way. The video looks bad and it should since it is never anything less than an unpleasant experience to see someone killed but if you threaten an officer with a deadly weapon expect to be shot and that is no secret. So here's my advice to all the idiot criminals in Albuquerque and anywhere else... If you want to stay alive and breathing don't be an idiot and hold a weapon to yourself or anyone else! If you happen to be and the police arrive drop it even before they tell you to otherwise, family members of the deceased, don't be angry at the police but your relative for being an idiot! Police are not mental health professionals!


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