Bushee, Gonzales face off in first mayoral candidate forum

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  • Leesa Vigil posted at 2:06 pm on Sat, Jan 11, 2014.

    El Cie Vigil Posts: 30

    Is this, or will any of the future forums, be available on youtube? If people can't make it to the forum in person, it sure would be helpful to see it online and form our own opinions. Thanks!

  • Donado Coviello posted at 6:50 am on Thu, Jan 9, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    Marilyn, You know your group is not trying to get how candidates stand on issues but rather you're are trying to tell the candidate what your issues are. Your group, you and Heldmeyer are surely more NIMBY than altruistic.

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 6:11 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3135

    Regardless of whom either of us votes (or declines to vote) for, I agree that the "strong mayor" charter amendments must be voted down.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    So you recommend we vote for an anti-democracy right-wing law-and-order candidate (that has been on the government tit all his life) who can't win just to satisfy our fantasy of a participatory government? Dimas and Bushee have been part of the horrible past years with the City Council. Gonzales is going to win so what's going to be different with you or me after you waste your vote on Dimas ... nothing. But if the charter get voted down ... it a new ballgame.

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 3:14 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3135

    Yup, the people who give those government union workers their marching orders rely on low turn-out to maximize the effectiveness of their control of the unions. The only way the people can counter the power the unions (and the people who wield that power) have is to match their ability to turn out voters.

    Your vote certainly doesn't count if you sit it out and don't participate. The only message not voting sends is that no candidate needs to be bothered worrying about you or your opinions.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 2:55 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    Democracy is dead. Excess of taxpayer money killed it. Voting for someone who you think is even, as you say, a little less evil does nothing to win back people's power to effect change. You as a collaborator and the real power brokers in this town, big government employees (Fed., State, County, Municipality, School system) not Morty and Carol and Hendry killed democracy. Government workers hold tight onto the government tit. Dupes believe the vote counts.

  • Marilyn Bane posted at 1:30 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Marilyn3662 Posts: 12

    What? No sense of humor, Cove? Wouldn't have thought that of you.

  • Marilyn Bane posted at 1:24 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Marilyn3662 Posts: 12

    Cove, I know you love saying outlandish things, but I have to call you on your depiction of the Neighborhood Network. It's true we place a priority on civility, and I know that sticks in your craw; but we are totally unbiased in presenting the questions that are asked. No "riggng". No bombs thrown. No set-up questions allowed. We just try to elicit where the candidates stand on the issues. Believe it or not, a large number of people appreciate that. And on the way out, two people even said they still didn't know who to vote for and want to hear from Bill. I gave them his telephone number, and I hope they call.

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 12:49 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3135

    The majority of eligible voters in the last two mayoral elections didn't bother to vote at all. If Mayor Coss ever counts up those non-consenting voters, it's not to tremble at his lack of support, it's to laugh at how easy it is for his union cronies to swing the election when nobody turns out.

    When the people give up their right to vote, the shadowy power-brokers win.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 12:25 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    Absolutely wrong Priece! Absolutely right Eric!
    One should Never think of voting for someone that one could not trust with your life and livelihood.
    I think there are many ways to vote for or against a candidate without marking the ballot such as Write In or boycotting the vote not to mention money.
    For me, this election should be a people's vote of confidence in their local government. Are they all really doing a good job? And the surest was to get your vote to matter is to vote against the charter revisions and not vote for "the least of three evils." It is the only way to measure the consent or lack of consent of the people.

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 11:36 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3135

    In these low turn-out municipal elections, one vote carries a lot more weight than in bigger state and national elections, so I wouldn't recommend to anyone that they simply skip the opportunity to vote in this election. Vote, even if you have to hold your nose and vote for the least of three evils.

  • Eric Lucero posted at 10:27 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    EDOGGY Posts: 23

    You as well do not have to vote for anybody.

  • Eric Lucero posted at 10:24 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    EDOGGY Posts: 23

    My droid has a spell check and it puts words in there. I need to check this more carefully. Sorry about that...

  • Donado Coviello posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    You don't have to vote for anybody.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    All that Santa Fe old timer Cactus Jack Caffrey's wish is that Mayoral candidates stick to the membership rules of the Roy Rogers Riders Club, founded in the 1940s:

    1. Be neat and clean.
    2. Be courteous and polite.
    3. Always obey your parents.
    4. Protect the weak and help them.
    5. Be brave but never take chances.
    6. Study hard and learn all you can.
    7. Be kind to animal and take care of them.
    8. Eat all your food and never waste any.
    9. Love God and go to Sunday School.
    10. Always respect our flag and Country.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    It's OK that you dispelled Dimas but you actually misspelled your first choice , Dumis.

  • Claudia Anderson posted at 7:29 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Claudia Anderson Posts: 2

    The fact checker in me can't resist correcting one thing in your post. If you are referring to the Caucus held on Super Tuesday of 2008 (your comment that it was the first "primary" on Super Tuesday leads me to think that is what you mean) Mr Gonzales was not the Democratic State Chair at that time. He did not hold that office until Spring of 2010. A minor point to be sure, but it doesn't seem fair to hold that against him. It may not even be fair to hold it against the poor guy who was chair... nobody anticipated the turnout when sites and workers were assigned, that campaign was one for the history books! I worked that Caucus in San Juan County, and even the turnout there was far beyond anything we could have expected.

  • Eric Lucero posted at 3:29 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    EDOGGY Posts: 23

    Sorry about that, dispelled Dimas. Best candidate!!

  • Donado Coviello posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    And Marilyn your title is what ... former losing candidate?
    Please control your fits of self-importance.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 3:03 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    What about Bill Dimas?

  • Donado Coviello posted at 3:01 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    Marilyn, you and I know from being candidates that all forum are rigged especially the Neighborhood Network NIMBY forums (no political sign; written question filtered through Fred; no overt emotion allowed). Forum are fun because as a former candidate yourself you know their only purpose is to feed the egos of the candidate themselves. But Votes may come from quotes. Which brings me to the question being begged ... Why should we believe Chacon no less you? Chacon says "the ONLY pause" was when? Everyone who attends forum have already made up their mind to vote and for whom. The wish of those who attend is that there be some super screw up by some other candidate that they hate. Where Dimas was stupid was the forum is a great place to trash jerky groups like your Neighborhood Network who weren't going to vote for you always. And you get trash both their two-faced faces at the same time.

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 1:31 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3135

    Please, anybody but Javier or Patti. I just wish that left us with a few more choices.

  • Jane Dickenson posted at 1:30 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    JaneDickenson Posts: 13

    My neighbor is not quite a PR machine. She's a teacher, but we both enjoyed the compliment.

  • Marilyn Bane posted at 1:20 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Marilyn3662 Posts: 12

    Jane - his correct title was "county commissioner".

  • Marilyn Bane posted at 12:48 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Marilyn3662 Posts: 12

    Well, "Jane Dickenson", whoever you might be, perhaps you should have attended yourself. Not one thing that you "heard" was an accurate report of the dialog or of the presentations by either candidate. I urge you - and everyone else - to attend future forums and get your information first-hand. Otherwise, what you have to say lack credibility, promotes misinformation and leaves you open to criticism that your comments are "planted" by a particular candidate's pr machine.

  • Donado Coviello posted at 9:57 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Cove Posts: 548

    So Bushee, Dimas and Gonzales all support all the charter revisions.
    I see below that Patti's mouthpiece Staci and Javier's mouthpiece Jane blow hot air and spin the taxpayer paid bull coming out of their hero's mouths. I've said it before the destruction of our Democracy is because we the citizens are a cowardly stupid lot. Does any body remember taking part in a protest riot? I do. When linguist talk about "framing" issue with language so as to direct the minds decision making. What has to happen in these forums is the breaking of the frame by the audience. Loud , rude, disruptive, verbal politic smashing behavior is needed.

  • Eric Lucero posted at 9:45 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    EDOGGY Posts: 23

    Bill Dumas is the best candidate, by far.

  • Jane Dickenson posted at 9:03 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    JaneDickenson Posts: 13

    My neighbor attended the event last night and she told me how much of a gentleman Javier Gonzales was at the debate. She said Mr. Gonzales thanked Patti Bushee and Bill Dimas for their service on the Council, and that Mr. Gonzales was even the one who initiated the ceremonial handshakes with Ms. Bushee. Class act Javier! Bravo! (Apparently Ms. Bushee took a big swipe at Mr. Dimas for not being there and made a sarcastic remark).

    She also said Mr. Gonzales did a great job connecting with people and showed respect to the attendees by standing up when he addressed them (apparently Ms Bushee eventually caught on and started doing the same thing).

    She also said that Mr. Gonzales had the best vision, and ultimately showed the best leadership. Mr. Gonzales' experience with implementing strategic plans as a Board of Regent versus Patti's experience (in Patti's own words) "shelving" strategic plans at the City was a highlight.

    She also indicated that there were many instances when Ms. Bushee said, "We should have done this or that on the Council", but that "We didn't". After two decades on the Council, one would think that Ms. Bushee had enough time to enact real change.

    Finally, she said it looked like Ms. Bushee may have gotten preferential treatment because of the obvious way the Neighborhood Network treated her.

  • Staci Benni posted at 5:40 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Sta Benni Posts: 272

    I thought Javier Gonzales presented well at first--but then I realized that he kept saying the same cliches over and over again. Being on a board of trustees is not a resume builder in my opinion. Moreover Gonzales seems clueless to the fact that Malouf's now runs a store where Packard's was; that there is a early childhood reading program; that the SFCC already offers programs in sustainability (solar installers HERZ Raters) as well as a better film program than the one offered at SFUCD. And how do we continuer to fund all the programs that Gonzales suggested? He was always vague on that part.
    Also I remeber standing outside for a long time on the first primary on super TU. Why? Because there were not anough poll workers or machines. Who was in charge of organizing that primatry? None other than Javier. He did not show even average organizational skills on that one!

  • Jane Kadlubek posted at 12:18 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    JKadlubek Posts: 19

    I was there. One candidate came across like a Mayor and the other came across like... a councilor.


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