AMMO VOTE Santa Fe City Council votes down proposed gun magazine restriction

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  • Jay Love posted at 3:07 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Jloveusa Posts: 2

    Its so refreshing to see and hear that there are so MANY other New Mexicans out there and Santa Feans in particular whom are standing up for what is right and the law of the land! I never would have guessed it had I not seen it happen! apparently not all SF residents are crazy loons after all as I thought? I would like to think the majority of the other native New Mexicans are as proud of our hunting, sporting, target and gun traditions, as well as our freedoms to protect ourselves here in New Mexico as I certainly am? the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they could see and hear all of these attacks on our sacred bill of rights and constitution that are springing up on a daily baisis not just here, but across our land? do these people behind this stuff realize our history and the reason we spilt from the King and England was not about tax on tea but about being able to be free men and women, able to chart our own course and be individuals without asking some govt. spook permission for anything before we do it? it is rooted in this whole individualism and freedom to prosper that others from around the world risk death daily trying to come here to the USA and build their own free lives here? lets please not allow govt. officials to take us backwards down that road!

  • Jay Love posted at 2:53 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Jloveusa Posts: 2

    Thank GOD the majority of citizens and representatives have a head on their shoulders and voted this silly waste of time proposal down and out into the dust-bin of history! did it not occur to these people charged with managing SF's affairs before this dumb law was submitted that it had no merit and worse yet no support from the majority citizens, or was this politically motivated bondoggle something a couple of members just hoped to sneak into law in the middle of the night against the citizens wishes and against the NM constitution? given all the silly, untrue statements made by the proponents of this constitutional missive it appears they need to actually educate themselves as to what they are speaking of. I never heard so many mistatements and un-truths as the arguments made by these rogue people, "Clips" really now, they are called Magazines, and the civilian rifles they call "assault rifles" are simply semi-auto's that look scary to some uninformed people!

  • Anthony Lesetto posted at 2:15 am on Mon, Aug 19, 2013.

    AnthonyLesetto Posts: 2

    Yeah all these Damm Liberals need to get themselves educated on what the Difference is between a Real Assault (Real Assault meaning Automatic) (Not semiauto Rifles with Military Deco). The Fact is that people know how to Manufacture these Magazines in their Garage i will admit i have actually made some that work Flawlessly. Also by banning these Magazines it would only make a Huge Black market and Criminals will obviously still carry them that is why the are Criminals. As a Local Brown Man Born and Raised in Santa Fe and NRA Member i am glad we won this battle. I myself have 25 9mm 17rd Mags for Glocks I have many AK 30rd Mags as well as 30rd AR mags. Yes people thank god Coss is out we just gotta make sure to Vote that Idiot Bushee and that Tiny Little boy ron trujillo out of their seats. Liberals and or the antigunners will never understand guys. YEAH way to go those that turned out for this defense of our 2nd Ammendment RIghts.

  • Vino Burnette posted at 5:04 am on Tue, Jul 16, 2013.

    vinoburnettejr Posts: 1

    Dear Joe, I hope all is well. Please contact me at vinoburnettejr@gmail.com. Hope to hear from you soon.

  • Khal Spencer posted at 2:12 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 1324

    Regarding muskets and the Internet. Times certainly have changed since 1791. Modern military rifles are more lethal than muskets, and the Internet provides much more potential lethality to speech in the hands of bad guys than a soap box in the town square or a 1700's printing press. It took me about ten minutes to find the Al Quida home made bomb manual that the Boston Marathon bombers might have used. One could argue that we could as easily amend the constitution to put prior restraint on both electronic speech and modern civilian arms and how they are kept (i.e., to keep and to bear are two different things). Until we do, the present U.S. and New Mexico Constitutions are the law of the land. I'm surprised this got so far.

    At any rate, as long as guns and misuse of guns are with us, we will have these discussions of how much is too much, what acts would effectively reduce the level of firearms violence in the U.S., and whether prior restraint on obtaining guns or placing limits on the types in private hands, are desirable. Having the discussion at the city level is fruitless, as a quick study of Chicago gun crime would point out. On the state and national level, our Constitutions provide broad leeway for interpretation, as the Roberts Court has mentioned in Heller vs. D.C. Both documents set boundaries. Regardless of their usefulness to reducing crime, I suspect there is nothing intrinsically unconstitutional about either magazine limits or universal background checks, but also suspect there is not the political consensus to enact these--if a grade school full of dead middle class kids following close on a theatre full of dead adults and a nearly murdered U.S. Congresswoman can't get you there, not much will.

    As the New Mexican itself recently suggested in its op-ed on the subject, perhaps both sides should find some common ground rather than more places to pick a fight. This discussion will not likely leave us. Attempting to circumvent the state constitution was, in my opinion, not a good place to start the discussion. Given the polarity of this subject, I'm not sure where a good place is. What does worry me is this: as long as there is a constant push for more and more controls and recordkeeping of gun owners, there will be a constant push back for no controls. Mr. Rock, meet Mr. Hard Place.

  • Van Hall posted at 12:41 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Van Hall Posts: 24

    Perhaps the Mayor, and the wannabe Mayors Bushee, and Trujillo will act to stop the endemic violence, burglaries, sexual assaults, vagrancy, and huge numbers of illegal aliens in Santa Fe?

    Perhaps the wannabe Mayors can break from the failed policies of the Coss administration, and work with the court system to enforce the laws on the books for those violent criminals such as burglars?

    This could be a really nice place, if the City were to deal with actual crimes, rather than hypothetical events. Nearly all mass shootings, in recent years, have been committed by mentally ill individuals of all races, ethnic heritage, and religions.

    Perhaps the mentally ill should be hospitalized, or under treatment, instead of self medicating, and walking the streets of Santa Fe?


  • Jorge Negrete posted at 11:36 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Jorge Negrete Posts: 21

    I voted for Patti in the past, but I will tell everyone I know and meet to oppose her when it comes time to vote in the future. Coss, thank goodness he'll be out.

  • adam gabaldon posted at 10:40 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    1stMAN Posts: 1

    WAY TO GO SANTA FE,,,,,,,[smile]


  • bob ortiz posted at 10:34 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Bob Ortiz Posts: 16

    Now can we have OUR employees get back to the work of managing out city and stop grandstanding over non issues purely for political reasons? Bushee is trying the waters for her mayoral bid as a chip off the old Big Bird Coss agenda. If this is any indication of how she plans on wasting taxpayer monies on stupidity then the citizens of santa fe need to take a good look at how they vote come the next election.

  • Jeremy Bangs posted at 9:21 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    JDB Posts: 15

    Way to go Santa Fe! I'm proud to see that so many citizens stood up for what they believed in and ensured that a senseless, unenforceable, politically motivated ordinance would not be passed! Thumbs up to all of those that attended the City Council meeting lastnight!

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 8:56 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3144

    If thirty round magazines are weapons of mass destruction, then Bush was right about WMDs being in Iraq.

  • Fred Gaul posted at 8:50 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Freedom Rings Posts: 1

    Guero........ I bow and tip my hat to you Sir!

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 8:49 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 3144

    "No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms."

    It looks like some (but not all) of our city councilors actually read it.

  • Steve Salazar posted at 8:44 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Steve Salazar Posts: 1844

    I hope they got a good night's sleep, waiting in the hot sun for a marriage license is going to be tough.

  • Joseph Hempfling posted at 8:43 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    joehempfling Posts: 558

    It seems the Populus has spoken, at least some of them on the issue but in my opinion, is not the REAL issue and that is the underlying cause of people feeling the need to arm themselves with such weapons of mass destruction. America happens to be a culture of violence, witness our foreign policies, the almost daily carnage in our cities and streets, our over militarization of our police, our glorification of our armed forces, and yes, our class warfare and increasing Poverty. These are all symptomatic of a sick society that has lost it's way, feels threatened and feels it has to do the little things as best it can, like buying assault weapons and military capacity clips. And until the Cause changes the insanity will continue ! Pray for us.

  • John Puerner posted at 8:40 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Max Verts Posts: 54

    In the name of good governance, congratulations to the City Council for making the correct decision. The council should focus on issues within its scope of responsibility instead of wandering into issues it doesn't have any business in. And, next time a councilor needs to be "educated" on an issue maybe she'll make the investment on her own instead of wasting the council's and people's time.

  • Khal Spencer posted at 7:49 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 1324

    I still say that when I visit Santa Fe, my main concern is staying alive on your roads. Can we get back to real problems now?

  • Kevin Kelleher posted at 7:17 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    kevzzz Posts: 6

    “When the founding fathers passed the Second Amendment, they were thinking about muzzle-loading muskets,”

    The counter argument to that statement is, when the found fathers created the First Amendment of the US Constitution they were only thinking of Soap Boxes and street corner politics, not social media or actors talking about something they have no clue about thus telling us how to vote.


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