AMMO VOTE Santa Fe City Council votes down proposed gun magazine restriction

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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:59 pm | Updated: 11:35 am, Thu Jun 27, 2013.

The Santa Fe City Council voted down, 6-2, a measure that would have outlawed firearm magazines holding more than 10 rounds after Wednesday’s contentious, late-night meeting.

Two-thirds of the nearly 70 people who spoke during a three-hour public hearing opposed the measure co-sponsored by Mayor David Coss and Councilors Patti Bushee and Ron Trujillo.

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  • Anthony Lesetto posted at 2:15 am on Mon, Aug 19, 2013.

    AnthonyLesetto Posts: 2

    Yeah all these Damm Liberals need to get themselves educated on what the Difference is between a Real Assault (Real Assault meaning Automatic) (Not semiauto Rifles with Military Deco). The Fact is that people know how to Manufacture these Magazines in their Garage i will admit i have actually made some that work Flawlessly. Also by banning these Magazines it would only make a Huge Black market and Criminals will obviously still carry them that is why the are Criminals. As a Local Brown Man Born and Raised in Santa Fe and NRA Member i am glad we won this battle. I myself have 25 9mm 17rd Mags for Glocks I have many AK 30rd Mags as well as 30rd AR mags. Yes people thank god Coss is out we just gotta make sure to Vote that Idiot Bushee and that Tiny Little boy ron trujillo out of their seats. Liberals and or the antigunners will never understand guys. YEAH way to go those that turned out for this defense of our 2nd Ammendment RIghts.

  • Vino Burnette posted at 5:04 am on Tue, Jul 16, 2013.

    vinoburnettejr Posts: 1

    Dear Joe, I hope all is well. Please contact me at vinoburnettejr@gmail.com. Hope to hear from you soon.

  • Khal Spencer posted at 2:12 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 416

    Regarding muskets and the Internet. Times certainly have changed since 1791. Modern military rifles are more lethal than muskets, and the Internet provides much more potential lethality to speech in the hands of bad guys than a soap box in the town square or a 1700's printing press. It took me about ten minutes to find the Al Quida home made bomb manual that the Boston Marathon bombers might have used. One could argue that we could as easily amend the constitution to put prior restraint on both electronic speech and modern civilian arms and how they are kept (i.e., to keep and to bear are two different things). Until we do, the present U.S. and New Mexico Constitutions are the law of the land. I'm surprised this got so far.

    At any rate, as long as guns and misuse of guns are with us, we will have these discussions of how much is too much, what acts would effectively reduce the level of firearms violence in the U.S., and whether prior restraint on obtaining guns or placing limits on the types in private hands, are desirable. Having the discussion at the city level is fruitless, as a quick study of Chicago gun crime would point out. On the state and national level, our Constitutions provide broad leeway for interpretation, as the Roberts Court has mentioned in Heller vs. D.C. Both documents set boundaries. Regardless of their usefulness to reducing crime, I suspect there is nothing intrinsically unconstitutional about either magazine limits or universal background checks, but also suspect there is not the political consensus to enact these--if a grade school full of dead middle class kids following close on a theatre full of dead adults and a nearly murdered U.S. Congresswoman can't get you there, not much will.

    As the New Mexican itself recently suggested in its op-ed on the subject, perhaps both sides should find some common ground rather than more places to pick a fight. This discussion will not likely leave us. Attempting to circumvent the state constitution was, in my opinion, not a good place to start the discussion. Given the polarity of this subject, I'm not sure where a good place is. What does worry me is this: as long as there is a constant push for more and more controls and recordkeeping of gun owners, there will be a constant push back for no controls. Mr. Rock, meet Mr. Hard Place.

  • Van Hall posted at 12:41 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Van Hall Posts: 24

    Perhaps the Mayor, and the wannabe Mayors Bushee, and Trujillo will act to stop the endemic violence, burglaries, sexual assaults, vagrancy, and huge numbers of illegal aliens in Santa Fe?

    Perhaps the wannabe Mayors can break from the failed policies of the Coss administration, and work with the court system to enforce the laws on the books for those violent criminals such as burglars?

    This could be a really nice place, if the City were to deal with actual crimes, rather than hypothetical events. Nearly all mass shootings, in recent years, have been committed by mentally ill individuals of all races, ethnic heritage, and religions.

    Perhaps the mentally ill should be hospitalized, or under treatment, instead of self medicating, and walking the streets of Santa Fe?


  • Jorge Negrete posted at 11:36 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Jorge Negrete Posts: 14

    I voted for Patti in the past, but I will tell everyone I know and meet to oppose her when it comes time to vote in the future. Coss, thank goodness he'll be out.

  • adam gabaldon posted at 10:40 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    1stMAN Posts: 1

    WAY TO GO SANTA FE,,,,,,,[smile]


  • bob ortiz posted at 10:34 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Bob Ortiz Posts: 4

    Now can we have OUR employees get back to the work of managing out city and stop grandstanding over non issues purely for political reasons? Bushee is trying the waters for her mayoral bid as a chip off the old Big Bird Coss agenda. If this is any indication of how she plans on wasting taxpayer monies on stupidity then the citizens of santa fe need to take a good look at how they vote come the next election.

  • Jeremy Bangs posted at 9:21 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    JDB Posts: 15

    Way to go Santa Fe! I'm proud to see that so many citizens stood up for what they believed in and ensured that a senseless, unenforceable, politically motivated ordinance would not be passed! Thumbs up to all of those that attended the City Council meeting lastnight!

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 8:56 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 1654

    If thirty round magazines are weapons of mass destruction, then Bush was right about WMDs being in Iraq.

  • Fred Gaul posted at 8:50 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Freedom Rings Posts: 1

    Guero........ I bow and tip my hat to you Sir!

  • Pierce Knolls posted at 8:49 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Mister Pierce Posts: 1654

    "No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms."

    It looks like some (but not all) of our city councilors actually read it.

  • Steve Salazar posted at 8:44 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Steve Salazar Posts: 866

    I hope they got a good night's sleep, waiting in the hot sun for a marriage license is going to be tough.

  • Joseph Hempfling posted at 8:43 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    joehempfling Posts: 186

    It seems the Populus has spoken, at least some of them on the issue but in my opinion, is not the REAL issue and that is the underlying cause of people feeling the need to arm themselves with such weapons of mass destruction. America happens to be a culture of violence, witness our foreign policies, the almost daily carnage in our cities and streets, our over militarization of our police, our glorification of our armed forces, and yes, our class warfare and increasing Poverty. These are all symptomatic of a sick society that has lost it's way, feels threatened and feels it has to do the little things as best it can, like buying assault weapons and military capacity clips. And until the Cause changes the insanity will continue ! Pray for us.

  • Max Verts posted at 8:40 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Max Verts Posts: 19

    In the name of good governance, congratulations to the City Council for making the correct decision. The council should focus on issues within its scope of responsibility instead of wandering into issues it doesn't have any business in. And, next time a councilor needs to be "educated" on an issue maybe she'll make the investment on her own instead of wasting the council's and people's time.

  • Khal Spencer posted at 7:49 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Khal Spencer Posts: 416

    I still say that when I visit Santa Fe, my main concern is staying alive on your roads. Can we get back to real problems now?

  • Kevin Kelleher posted at 7:17 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    kevzzz Posts: 1

    “When the founding fathers passed the Second Amendment, they were thinking about muzzle-loading muskets,”

    The counter argument to that statement is, when the found fathers created the First Amendment of the US Constitution they were only thinking of Soap Boxes and street corner politics, not social media or actors talking about something they have no clue about thus telling us how to vote.


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