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Fiesta Council blasts coverage of battle royal
Mother of princess involved in fray says council members 'keep sweeping things under the rug'

Tom Sharpe | The New Mexican
Posted: Monday, October 19, 2009
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Most Santa Fe Fiesta Council members at a Monday meeting applauded a newly issued written statement condemning accounts of an altercation between the Fiesta queen and a princess, but cut off the princess's mother, who wanted to talk about the incident.

She and other witnesses have said Fiesta Council officials told them not to publicly discuss what happened. Meanwhile, the head of the volunteer group that puts on the celebration has consistently refused to respond to questions about the affray.

However, Fiesta Council President Alberto "Gabby" Montoya's written statement called The New Mexican's two stories last week, based partly on sources who asked to remain anonymous, "one-sided," "sensational" and "gossipy."

"Ms. Constable failed in her duty to produce a truthful, honest, fair, and objective newspaper article," he wrote of assistant city editor Anne Constable's reports. "As a consequence, the one sided news article contributed to false reporting by other media, and that false reporting will continue to echo throughout the Internet and the blogosphere for the rest of time."

Montoya and other Fiesta Council officers declined to speak to Constable for the record or said they were unaware of the altercation that occurred after the Gran Baile in early September. In the wake of the published reports, Montoya's letter confirmed there was a "disagreement" and "quarrel," and said the Fiesta Council investigated the matter and dealt with it, but has a policy of "not debating or vetting personel (sic) matters in the media or public venues."

Witnesses have said a physical altercation broke out between two members of the Fiesta royal court and their families, and that there had been tension between the queen, Victoria Mora, and the princess, Christina Chacon. Although no one was seriously injured during the confrontation, both sides filed police reports, and the mother of the Fiesta princess has said she wants a restraining order against the parents of the queen.

When Gloria Y. Trujillo, mother of the princess, began speaking at Monday's Fiesta Council meeting, council member and former president Tony Lopez moved that any comments on the incident take place only behind closed doors. Although Trujillo said her comments were not about personnel matters and one member said he would like to hear them, the motion was approved by a voice vote.

Outside the State Land Office auditorium, where the meeting took place, Trujillo told a reporter for The New Mexican that the council had ordered her and others not to speak to the media.

"The Santa Fe Fiesta Council has to keep sweeping things under the rug," she said. "They don't want to address it. ... They just want to make their comment that was very long and wordy and didn't say anything and didn't mean anything."

Trujillo said all she wanted to do was to ask for an apology from Montoya and other Fiesta officers for the way her daughter, Chacon, and another Fiesta princess, Lynette Dominguez of Tesuque Pueblo, were treated. Trujillo blamed Mora, this year's Fiesta queen, or La Reina, and her family for instigating the problem.

"Throughout the summer, both Lynette and Christina were both being harassed by Victoria and the dad," she said. "So I just wanted to respond to that."

Chacon did not attend Monday's meeting "because I didn't want her to get further abused by anybody here," Trujillo said.

Dominguez, who did attend, agreed with Trujillo. "They don't want us talking to you because it's the truth," she said. "That Friday, me and Christina actually approached (the chairman of the committee for Fiesta royalty), and we had told him how Victoria was being rude to us and how she would single us out when she was introducing, and he didn't do anything about it."

Trujillo said Montoya told her daughter on the Sunday of Fiesta that she would not be allowed to participate in the closing ceremonies because of threats against her.

"So instead of protecting her, what they did, they gave a security to Viola Mora, who is the mother (of Victoria) who made the threats, and that's not fair," Trujillo said. "I feel another decision could have been made where Christina could have carried on her reign and finished on Sunday, and that's what I wanted to ask them for — a personal apology to Christina."

President Montoya, in a telephone interview later Monday, declined to respond to Trujillo, but emphasized that she is not speaking for the Fiesta Council. He reiterated that he could not discuss with a news reporter what corrective action was taken against whom.
Contact Tom Sharpe at tsharpe@sfnewmexican.com


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Just Wondering   (posted on 10/23/2009)
Is anyone smarter than a fifth grader?
Drive   (posted on 10/22/2009)
when people get stopped and get a DWI, even though they didn't hurt anyone, they get mark on their driving history as well as a mark in the new mexico courts system that follows them for the rest of their lives. so, *why* do these *prima dona's* get a free pass? after all.. they didn't just get stopped on a highway at a sobriety check.. they had a FIGHT where the Santa Fe Police were called.. and REPORTS were filled out? again.. WHY SHOULD THEY GET A FREE PASS??? THEY WERE THERE ON SANTA FE PUBLIC FUNDS! (((((MY TAXPAYERS DOLLARS PAID FOR THIER PARTY.. I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING. MISTER MONTOYA CAN KISS MY BIG FAT BUTT.))))
Kermit   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Miss Piggy and Fiona have a fist fight because they are liquored up at a dance, that's classic..Who cares let them scrap..no one is perfect..so they had a few drinks and got brave. Oh well, they didn't kill anyone,i'm sure back then the queens threw down and the Don Diego's did their things as well. Everyone Get The Fu#$ Over It!
Kermit   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Miss Piggy and Fiona have a fist fight because they are liquored up at a dance, that's classic..Who cares let them scrap..no one is perfect..so they had a few drinks and got brave. Oh well, they didn't kill anyone,i'm sure back then the queens threw down and the Don Diego's did their things as well. Everyone Get The Fu#$ Over It!
SF Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Thank you Josh for introducing yourself. I do hope that you and your family stay well throughout this flu season. It's not fun when the kids get sick, mine all got the flu the same week. So everyone Josh V. did give some good advice please wash your hands and stay home if you feel slightly sick. It's better to be safe than sorry. The point that I'm trying to make to Inside Observer is that we all have faults, me included. What I'm saying is what to the "so called" Jess's faults have to do with this absolutely nothing. And in my observations of these posts all that Jess, Tommy and the others were trying to do was to educate every about fiestas. No where did I see them say that they were better than any one. They are trying to bring out the positive, yes there is positive to the Fiestas. So like I said before, let's let this nonsense go and be friends and grab a cup of coffee. Have a wonderful evening everyone, I'm off to enjoy time with my family. God Bless you all!
DriveByPoster   (posted on 10/22/2009)
inside observer wrote, "Rules, every woman that enters the competition is competing for the title of La Reina (I''m sure you know this, I''m just clarifying), the women are not allowed to co-habitate, marry or be married, pregnant or have children. If they are not chosen as La Reina, they must still abide by these rules, should they choose to take on the role of a Princesa." -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- ROFLMAO! has anyone told the contestants about these requirements? this is hypocrisy at it's finest! so we have a parade of vested virgins who drink tequila at fiesta events and get into fist fights. i suppose princess diana was a virgin. at least she was supposed to be.. but do you think prince charles had to put up with princess diana and her father getting drunk on corona's and tequila and then getting into blows with the queen's servants? somehow, i really doubt it.
Gilbert   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I feel like I'm watching Worlds Dumbest on the TRU Station. Has anyone ever seen it. Josh V. you could be a host. They get all the dumbest criminals, drivers and performers and just watch the tapes and comment when the people do stupid things. It is funny. Reading I just feel like I'm watching the show. Check it out Josh V if you ever get a chance.
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Native Native Native. I think I missed what you were trying to state. Come again?
Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
No, I am not trying to start a fight. And no, I do not belong to the fiesta council. I am just stating what other people are affriad to say. I am not afraid. I am just sticking up for my ex boyfriend and his family.
Jaymee   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I have an idea Native. Why don't you and all those who are so supportive of the Fiesta Council and Court, those of you who think that those associated are just peachy and you all are just the best Christians, not judgemental, and only the opinions of the those who agree with you join a group. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I think there is a group for you. Metioned above in the article that doesn't embarrase them in anyway. The FIESTA COUNCIL. Join, they need more people like you.
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Native, are you trying to start a fight. NO WAY, a person associated with the fiesta council would never try and do that. Perhaps he/she is doing something, away from the computer, at the grocery store, in the bathroom. What ever your doing Inside Observer please wash your hands.
Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Inside Observer... Don't have anything to say now???????
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Drive by poster get on the band wagon for the smack down. The "Royal" rumble. We'll do it cage style. No Ceptures (please correct my spelling if you must), swords or parents, just fists.
Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Wow, I guess no one did. Why Inside Observer quit is there business. No it doesn't matter that they took an absense. He won that title fair and square. Okay, so no one else ran that year it is not his fault. I know his parents, I know him.
Hey Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
And what do you have against Inside Observer speaking? Did some one tell you that calling a person out was wrong? Did some one at one time tell you that you couldn't quit something because there were people who acted like sheep and just stood there instead of being leaders and having a voice to change things was wrong? Does it matter that his parents took an absense during that time? The whole council knew them.
Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Inside Observer... What do you have against Jess? Yes, the 2008 De Vargas did have parents on the FC but it is my understanding the the parents must take a leave of absense during that time frame. Am I wrong? And what do you have against all these fiesta queens anyway? Are you upset becasue you never won? How would you know so much about the girls are you the chair person?
Felipe G.   (posted on 10/22/2009)
We all are good people we just enjoy using our freedom of speech. Crazy
DriveByPoster   (posted on 10/22/2009)
just ban all city monies given to the fiesta, period.. whether it be for the council, or rent of the community center, or whatever. these fiesta participant BOZOS and the fiesta council BOZO have RUINED the event...... WAIT A MINUTE! I JUST GOT AN IDEA! *IF* all of the fiesta princesses and the big tough hispanic conquistadors ALL AGREE TO DRESS UP LIKE BOZO THE CLOWNS FOR ALL EVENTS... i might just buy into it and donate money myself. but in addition to the orange hair, the big red noses, the polka dot clown outfits, they HAVE TO WEAR THE SIZE 28 SHOES.. i think don diego de vargas mall would look AWESOME as BOZO THE CLOWN in the fiesta parade!
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Wow, don't start spreading rumors that I'm a good guy. Kidding. I like being a smart mouth. There are some people out there who need defending by us intelligent folk. There are a lot of "pretenders" out there. I call it as I see it. Now wash your hands and quit picking your nose. Kidding. Stay healthy.
Wow   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Wow Josh V. You really are a good guy aren't you. You actually showed concern for someone you know and don't know. Thanks, I don't want to get sick either. And I think it's sweet you are so concerned for your kid and wife. I thought you were just a smart mouth. You stay healthy too.
Weird   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Thanks Victoria. Please pray for us. As she judges. Hypocrits. At least some of us aren't hypocrits. We just speak our mind. Crazies.
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Thanks Felipe G.! I'm scared for her, she's a nice lady. I think she got it from her grandson. The H1N1. I have Sanitizer at my desk and everyone else does too. I don't allow anyone in my office anymore. I have a kid at home and my wife and I are very concerned of her getting anything. I don't want anyone getting sick. Good luck to you and yours.
Victoria L.   (posted on 10/22/2009)
As for all this hashing out old issues with a past Princess please stop. So IF she had been hung over or high or whatever the point is she was there. Obviously there was not a concern or the right people would have took care of that. Stop living in the past that was 2 years ago it is unusual to be holding onto a grudge for that long why didn't you say somthing to her back then if you felt that she was dishonoring the position. Let it go I pray to Our Lady if you have been harboring hatered towards a princess this long maybe you should continuing praying to. Her personal life is none of your concern anymore. Regarding 2008 Don Diego de Vargas drop that as well yes his parents are on the council so what? Do you know he has served on the Cuadrilla years before and in 2008 it was his time to be De Vargas. We can't change we have to move forward with the present.
Felipe G   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I'm sorry about your co-worker Josh V I hope you don't get sick like that person. Did you wash your hands!? JK Just being silly. Hope they're ok.
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Right on Felipe. And everyone wash their hands. I'm being serious. A co-worker of mine just got admitted to the hospital. Stay healthy people.
Felipe G.   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Yea let's move on please. We all need to join together for world peace and what a better way to do it, in our own back yards. Smile at your neighbors, and hug your friends. You never know what tomorrow holds. Peace Love and Unity!
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
No SF Native I don't know you. Hi, I'm Josh, nice to meet you. And you were pointing a finger at Inside Observer. So as some wise poster stated, there were three fingers pointing at you. Don't bash one without bashing the other now.
Victoria L.   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Thank you Orlando Baca I agree with you 100% every year you hear of all this drama between the girls and I think it starts with the competition. Once someone is crowned La Reina the girls who lost become her princesas? Talk about a cat fight and yes you can try to be poise and attempt not to fight but envy is such a strong emotion. As for the event that occured it is over move on.
SF Native   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Oh my goodness, Inside Observer is calling Jess I gossiper, I think that maybe she/he needs to realize that when you point a finger there are three pointing right back at you. Didn't your mother ever teach you that it's not nice talk about other people. I know I teach my children and I teach the kids in my catechism classes the same. Maybe all the negative talkers need a dose of catechism to remind them how to treat others. May you all find the comfort that you want to get out of bashing people. Let's all put this behind us, let it go. May God bless you all and keep you safe.
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
So funny. So funny to read some comments of those who aren't judging but judge. Observation you say Felipe G. I think I might beg to differ. What do you all think?
Weird   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I think it's so weird how those who are so judgemental here are the one's telling us all to go to church and that they will pray for us. I'm just saying it's weird. You wonder who the people you sit next to in church are. HMMMMMM??????
Orlando Baca   (posted on 10/22/2009)
FACT: Something happend that night at the Baile. FACT: None of us can really know what actually happened. It is time to go forward, and find solutiions for the future. It seems that the way La Quadrilla is set up works better than the way La Reyna's Court is organized. Why does the Court have to be made up of all the contestants that lost the competition? Why can't the elected Reina name her own Princesas? That might eliminate the jealousies that have lead to so much friction.
Arianna   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I wouldn't even respond to the past princess anymore. I think by reading that we can all see that she is not all she is cracked up to be. I just read every single comment in here and all I can say is I am so glad that I never had anything to do with Fiesta Royalty. Seems so hypocriticle. For those of you who do things for the right reasons it's people like those who have represented you on this forum that us outsiders see as part of your organization. This title is taking to an extreme and it's like being named the Carnival Queen. Come on people, get over it. Your not really a queen.
Jess 2 Insider   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Maybe you should be working, instead of trying to blast past community volunteers? Maybe if you would stop preying and start praying you wouldn't be so unhappy in your life? Your strong hate for me is extremely scary please stop harassing me via these posts. I don't know who you are and hopefully I never will, I'm flattered that you care so much about me and my life that you have to conjure up LIES, but as you say NO ONE cares! And the contract says the women running for La Reina have to be between the ages of 18-25, not married, engaged, pregnant or not to have been previously married or pregnant in the past. News flash, there was a contestant who did have a child before her application, not me! I was allowed to participate and “portray a pretend role” if there was any grievance to my alleged substance abuse, intoxication, living arrangements or any other PERSONAL issues they would have been addressed by the Fiesta Council and/or the queen and court committee chair-person.
Josh V.   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Jess Jess Jess. You have me mixed up with someone who cares. I'm on salary over here just eating my burger, chillin for a little while before I get my brian immersed in another application. I work from 7:30am to 6:00pm every night. I need some release time and these forums are hilarious sometimes. Jess comments from people like you are what I love to read. Now after the way you've acted here I can only say that the jig is up girl. We know what your about and posting all this religious and hitorical stuff is an act. See I don't pretend. I give my opnion and I make smart remarks. So if anyone needs to settle down it's you girl. Your not really a princess and your hubby's not really De Vargas and your brother who was posting for everyone's comment is not really De Vargas either. It's okay, there is life after Fiestas. I think the council should raise money for counciling for your past royalty. Hey that's where the money from the Royal Smack down can go. You guys sucked Johnny in, be you happy you got one.
Rules   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Okay, I see. Thank you for the clarification. I guess the women's movement passed the Fiesta Council by. Thank you again.
Jess   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Josh V, calmate carnal, I am not the violent type, just wondering why a former Fiesta Council member would care to comment here but not in REAL life, where the majority of us live. I am open to critism and would have withdrawn my application if the member (who is brava enough to tell me here) what rules I broke by submitting my application. Open, honest dicussion is not an option when we are safe behind our computer screens. Emotions are easy to throw aside. As a community we have a violent history, by perpetuating that cycle of violence you are not helping our community heal. My reason was found in mass with Father Brasher in Las Vegas for his political moving words, the prayer that was said over a meal we ate in Popay’s home of San Juan Pueblo, or the opening prayer Monsignor Jerome said during the Pregon Mass on Fiesta Friday opening mass. Watch the documentary, El Corazon de Santa Fe, done beautifully by E. Anthony Martinez and educate yourself on the many differing opinions and facts on the subject. Telling New Mexico A New History edited by Marta Weigle with Francis Levine and Louise Striver is a great source of information. I know why I participated and its not for this negative attention. Good luck to you all in your lives living through a newspaper that reads at the 6th grade level. Inside observer, I don't know what I did to you but I will pray for your strong hate for me to subside. Talk about scary!!!
Leonard   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Running opposed does say a lot for the event. Perhaps so many of us lowly regular citizens have heard how corrupt the council is or perhaps we don't agree with what the fiesta council and royalty represent. Thank you to those who have been a part of the court and have posted here. I want my kids no where near you all.
Inside Observer   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Rules, every woman that enters the competition is competing for the title of La Reina (I'm sure you know this, I'm just clarifying), the women are not allowed to co-habitate, marry or be married, pregnant or have children. If they are not chosen as La Reina, they must still abide by these rules, should they choose to take on the role of a Princesa. It is clearly stated in the competition rules. Contestants must sign a form saying they acknowledge the rules and that they are participating in none of them. For De Vargas, well, he is not portraying a sacred, "wholesome" image, if you will. The contestants for De Vargas are not held to the same rules AND he was the only person competing for the title, hence, he was chosen.
Rules   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I have a question for Inside Observer. If the princess was living with her de Vargas than why did he get choosen? Shouldn't the rules apply to both. He was living with a girl competing for the position. Double standard. And they wonder why the courts fight.
Angela DD   (posted on 10/22/2009)
To Inside Observer, Thank you for proving so many points made on this forum. Thank you for being truthful! Which is more than I can say for some. I agree with Josh too, Brain washing! How crazy are these people?
Michelle   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Why do you think he ran unaopposed? Duh!
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Inside observer does not have to give his/her real name. Crazy people might have to look him/her and give the royal smack down! And some princess' sound just that mean. Web Editor this is why some people are scared to use their real name. "Say it to my face"
Johnny Alamadre   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I know the 2008 De Vargas and yes he does have parents on the council, but he also ran unopposed and that says a lot for the event. Where are our locals who care about tradition? Which is why I feel the need to take matters into my own hands and make a change. Thank you "Outside Observer" you will not be missed at all, can you please take your other frineds on the council with you, that's if you THINK you had any there. "A La Madre" as in for our blessed mother La Conquistadora.
Angela DD   (posted on 10/22/2009)
It's amazing how the Council wants us all to believe that this year was the only year with problems. Sounds to me like they might make a little bit more money for their fund if they do have a Royal Smackdown. Council member against Council Member, Past Queen against current Queen, past princess against Current princess and Current De Vargas against past De Vargas.
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
No Johnny don't get sucked in. Sounds like it's a cult. Brain washed man. Wow!
Johnny Alamadre   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Inside observer - Please tell us about the sins you have committed recently and we'll share with you whats wrong with us. Sounds like some private information you have there. How long have you had all this gossip bottled up to share. Maybe you should call the New Mexican reporters and have them look into the lives of all the past individuals, point out all their flaws and produce another pointless TMZ type article. It's probably a relief to the council that you have left as you are definitely part of the problemed individuals stirirng up he said she said pointless and inmature comments. Grow up! But if that is what gets you through life well keep on gossiping it will increase the amount of friends you have in this town as they all seem to feel the have the best and latest gossip. Spread the word to all the exiting memeberes adn tell them "farewell", there is a new generation wanting to making positive changes for this community and we thank you for leaving a vacancy to take on this challenge. Johhny is coming on board, heck maybe I'll run for Don Diego and establish a new precedent for the celebration. "La boca que esta cerrada no entre la mosca." A fly cannot enter a shut mouth. Great dicho!
Jess   (posted on 10/22/2009)
WOW! Why don't you come up to me in REAL life and say all those mean nasty things to my face? Hiding behind a false name? Quiting the Fiesta Council because of little ol' me? WOW! A blow up with Angelique? HARDLY! Read your by-laws it say NOTHING about co-habitating but since thats none of your business, obviously a personal concern of yours. What business is it of yours where I reside? I was on the court why not confront me then, as opposed to now? What you say has no bearing on my furture and thankfully with people like you on the Fiesta Council we will never have fresh ideas, thanks for quitting though, whoever you are, coward!
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Alamadre huh Johnny?
Another Inside Observer   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Don't forget that De Vargas of 2008 has an inside connection and his mommy and daddy are fiesta Council Members.
Tommy   (posted on 10/22/2009)
No Michelle. Tommy is Tommy. And Tommy needs a nap
Josh V   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I was in a meeting all morning. All I can say is BUSTED! Busted!
Scary   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Real life Mean Girls it was. See, girls like Jess take part and than others have to feel bad for whatever reason. I think those who have defended the those involved have only shown how poor the quality of attitudes of these courts are. No wonder these two girls started fighting. Very Scary people.
Michelle   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I think Jonny is Tommy.
LP Armijo   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I miss Josh V!
Check it out   (posted on 10/22/2009)
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/santa-fe-new-mexican/TSI774D2I3RJP0M12/p16#lastPost Don't give these loosers anymore attention.
Inside Observer   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Wow, talk about self-rightous and self-absorbed! "Princess Jess" was one of the most unprofessional, irresponsible princesses ever! She was constantly late to the novenas, often hungover, was terrible to La Reina and another princess, LIVED/LIVES with her boyfriend, when the rules of the competition clearly state this is not allowed, therefore, a LIAR, I can go on and on. She was not a "team player" so to speak and posessed a terrible attitude throughout the summer because she didn't win. It is only by the grace of Angelique that a blow-up such as this one did not take place during the reign of 2008. I witnessed this behavior by "Princess Jess" at every novena, every Fiesta event that happened that summer. As a member of the Fiesta Council, I am shocked that she would try to speak so eloquently of herself and her reign, knowing the type of behavior she displayed. She would constantly gossip about the other girls, had a terrible attitude and was only interested in playing house with her "De Vargas". If it would have been up to me, she wouldn't have gotten so far in the competion phase of Fiestas for lying about cohabitating with her boyfriend. But, some of us go unheard by the higher-ups. Another example of the corruption in the FC. Puuuuuuleeeeazzze, Jessica! Get over yourself Jess, you have a degree from a school that no longer exists as it used to. Enough with the self-rightousness! By the way, this incident that has just occured has forced me to leave the FC because I can no longer participate in an organization that has no conscience or morals.
Jess   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Rose you claim you and the other ladies are trying to help the situation, how? By calling me names via the internet? Perhaps you didn’t read my first post? I am not here to defend myself against personal attacks, if you took my comment as applying directly to you, then it sounds like you have a conscience to worry about. I understand that the community we live in has no respect for our city, our traditions, or our culture. Thanks for highlighting the obvious. Respect is a two way street, you have none. Illustrated by you calling me a “little girl who had enough nerve . . .” Look at yourself and your words, you are a hateful woman with no respect for yourself or others. It is a shame that those of us trying to further this conversation with educated remarks are getting condemned to hell for speaking our minds. Again I say to you Rose, I am sorry for offending you, but you also said yourself that we all are entitled to our opinions. This was an isolated incident, poorly reported by Ann Constable, and fed into by the readers, bloggers and the few people who care about this “so called tradition” I’m sorry I fed into you all and your negative remarks.
Johnny Alamadre   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I feel Jess and Tommy are trying to explian to you all that yes this incident occured during a Fiesta event, but it should never be considered a regular occurance for past or future Fiesta Royalty. They are also informing each of you on what events are positive. If you choose not to participate, that's your choice. Until you put yourself in their experienced situation you can in no way know how this celebration effects each individual. You may go into it hateful and come out with a new spiritual outlook. So I challenge those of you who are looking in from the outside to be more involved and observant for your own benefit. If you choose not to, then please stop placing your judgement of this petty incident on all the past individuals, who are simply trying to share something positive they know occurs during any fiesta reign and on the fiesta council. Of course they take these roles serious that's because they participated with a true goal of educating themselves and sharing their knowledge with the community. As for those past and present who may not have had any goal but ego boost and political advantage, yes, shame on them. The people posting here though, are trying to inform you that good can come from such a unique event. Maybe the past was brutal and challenging, those historical events have formed the foundation of the diverse city we know as Santa Fe. I feel being invovled in this event can provide a rare leadership opportunity, therefore gaining experince for a future job or if given the opportunity, maintaining a long runnning community event. Businesses today are requiring employee involvement in your community and if this is the choice for Tommy and Jess, please allow them to enjoy their experiences. No one has judged your choice of community involvement, for those who are involved? So ask yourself, "What have I done lately for my community/city"? If you can answer with anything great, you have added something good to your life and you community. If you answer "Ummm... nothing!" then maybe you should step up and particiapte a little more, and a good first step would be joining the council to really see what happens and you can even put your two bits worth in just as you are doing on this blog. I promise the only way you can become a drunken member is if you have a pre-existing alcohol/substance abuse problem and/or no self control. Thank you Tommy and Jess for sharing what you know about this event, I hope your futures are rich with Faith , Hope and Love, for you have actively fulfilled something special to your hearts. As for the nay sayers here, please don't knock something until you try it at least once in your life! Adios!!
Michelle   (posted on 10/22/2009)
If the council takes too much time away from their family's well then they have their priority's wrong. You should be at home with your family's then their might not be angry children of yours.
daughter   (posted on 10/22/2009)
I am a native of Santa Fe and I have been around Fiestas all my life. The Fiesta Council did the right thing by not letting Christina participate in Sunday's events. What she did was wrong and what her mother is doing is even worse. It has been over a month. GET OVER IT. Noone understands the meaning of Fiestas and why we celebrate it. Tommy is giving a good history lesson. If all of you are so entertained by the articles you must not have anything better to do. If youa re so concerned than you should join the council and see how hard it really is. These people are taking time away from their families, work and there lives to put this all together. Noone knows the late nights that goes into getting everything ready. There was a comment about not having friestas anymore, WELL THAT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
Rose   (posted on 10/22/2009)
Johnny, I have something to say to you. YOu said something to Josh V along the lines of he's feeding into it. You get mad because Jess had enough nerve to say that other's faith in our lady was fake. Those lady's who posted below were trying to help the situation by letting the girls involved know that this so called tradition of representing a Fiesta Queen has gone to far and it doesn't matter to the whole community far as much as it does to a certain little girl who had enough nerve to compare being involved to people having false faith. That is rude. And Josh V is right in saying that if little girls like Jess who take it so seriously that they think they are validating "their beliefs" by putting other's faith in question than no wonder you have a Battle Royal. NO wonder who you have girls and I'm sure at time the guys too compromising who they are for a so called "tradition". No matter who the Fiesta council or past Fiesta Courts want to stay on here makeing all of us with opinions on the subject sound stupid, it's not helping their case. They make us all wonder about the people involved. There is a lot to be said about taking responsibility for your actions. There were a lot of people at fault here. The council is one of them. The girls are at fault and their parents. Tommy was posting trying to make us all sound dumb and he was involved making this tradition just sound so much more important than any of the emotions involved. How come you didn't reprimand Tommy or Jess?
Joseph G.   (posted on 10/22/2009)
DriveByPoster, you talk big via internet, I really think you need to research the religious aspects of why Fiestas is celebrated and strongly suggest to go to church.
DriveByPoster   (posted on 10/21/2009)
space to earth.. space to earth.. are there any intelligent forms out there? come in, over.
Johnny Alamadre   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Thank you Josh V for your comment. I knew you would feed into mine, just like you have all the others on this post. Stay on subject please, stop instigating more pointless commets.
Wow   (posted on 10/21/2009)
The funny thing is does anyone even know the real incident that actually occured everything we have all read has been based on he said she said. The Fiesta Council is not responding to the comments because there are so many sides to what may have actually occured. I find it upsetting that people have all these opinions of what may have happened but actually do not really know. Please quit with the speculation already of what you think you know. Unless you are a actual council member or actually at the Baile when the supposed altercation occured then please speak for the rest of you who weren't there an article is just another person's spin on what happened not actual fact. As for portraying La Reina, no it is not something to hold on to for the rest of your life or the title will not making you smarter, better, or able to get into a better school it is a honor that lasts for one year until the new Reina takes over. It is part of a traditon that a Large Majority of the people from Santa Fe hold dear to our hearts. It is a custom we have grown up and have been apart of for years and years. Some who have commented may feel that Don Diego and La Reina are just characters but those who truly run for these roles with their hearts know they are not there for glory but they are their to serve Our Lady La Conquistadora. Santa Fe is know as the City of Faith maybe not to some of you but the locals know what I am talking about. Life is too short for some many people to be arguing over what they think happened at an event. Guess if you weren't actually there you will never truly know.
SF Native   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Ok every one, I think for those of you who don't like what the Santa Fiesta Council is up to why don't you step up to the plate and get involved. There is only one way to change things and that is to put a voice to it and get involved. I also challenge you to attend every single Fiesta function that goes on from beginning to end to see the endless hours that the council members put in and sometimes without a simple "Thank You!". And I know that they are not in it for the praise but to get the community together. I previously only thought of Fiestas as one big party, Zozobra and Friday afternoons at La Fonda but it wasn't until the past few years that I really understood the true meaning behind Fiestas. Yes I still go to Zozobra but stay away from La Fonda, instead I make sure to attend the masses, especially the Novena masses. They are so beautiful and to walk up and see the Fiestas Council, Queen and Court and De Vargas and his Cuadrilla in a circle praying is such a beautiful sight. Hearing the priests and seeing the community who attend those masses makes me smile because they are practicing the promise made to Our Lady, La Conquistadora. So please let's all take a step back and not let this small incident change what Fiestas are really about, Community. We all need to unite and keep our Fiestas an honorable tradition that Our Lady would want them to be.
Johnny Alamadre   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Why are you all so angry too?? Lighten up you were not the names published in the papers being defamed by unimportant "news coverage"??
Johnny Alamadre   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Holy crap you women are really mean attacking someone who is standing up for her beliefs. You are all reading too far into this. Josh V you just need to stop posting here if you're going to continue being sarcastic and completely off topic. This story is nothing but personality conflicts between families and two young ladies. They need to be more responsible for their actions and stop using the Fiesta Council as their therapist. Where's the individual responsibility? No organization can control or try to manipulate the actions of anyone. Each of us has to hold ourselves responsible at some point. STOP trying to find someone else to blame or cure personal issues. All these articles are petty and inmature and that includes The Santa Fe New Mexican writers who continue to feed off of this as if they were TMZ or the papparazzi. I would like to see all you bloggers and the New Mexican recognize the positive events of the Santa Fe Fiesta, and stop feeding off the negative crap. GRACIAS!! Que Viva Nuestra Herencia y Cultura!!
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
I am far from perfect and there is pleanty of room for error. I did not judge anyone, I've simply said it ONCE (but you've quoted me three times) "It’s Scary to think we have facades walking around our town, self proclaiming to pray to La Conquistadora, yet constantly putting down those who are willing to volunteer." Who are you to judge me or my comments? Before you start pointing fingers at me, be sure your hands are clean. It is the portion of the competition that requires you to speak in public, both in English and Spanish, that has been looked at favorably by numerous Universities and Institutions across North America. One thing positive has come out of all this, we've sold two books today!!! Knowledge is power, pick up a book and READ IT!
Josh V   (posted on 10/21/2009)
I like your style dissapointed! I agree. And with people like Jess having involvement, well, now you know why a lot of us don't care. It is the council's fault for not defussing a situation before the bomb went off. I wonder if Jess should become my new hero since she knows who is real or not. Hmmm....No, I like Tommy. He has a comment for everything but he's not rude. Tommy your still the man.
Monica   (posted on 10/21/2009)
I did read Scary's, Linda's and LP Armijo's post and I'm sorry but none of them were as rude as you saying that "It’s Scary to think we have facades walking around our town, self proclaiming to pray to La Conquistadora, yet constantly putting down those who are willing to volunteer." Scary was just trying to say that there are more important things in life. Linda was simply asking how portraying La Reina helps you get into school and LP Armijo thinks the way I do in that was an immature comment from someone who thinks she can judge but has no room for error with herself. NOT JUSTIFIED. And I'm glad I don't know you.
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Monica Aranda, sorry you took my post personal. I don't know you, I don't care to know you. I have never met you nor do I know about your belief system. I'm glad I was reason enough for you get involved in this blog. But no matter what I say I cannot justify myself in your eyes, thats fine. My goal in life is NOT to please you or anyone else! Simply stating the truth as I observe it, talking poorly about your neighbor when they are made in the same image of Christ? Why not lecture Scary, Linda or LP Armijo on talking Chistian-like?
disappointed   (posted on 10/21/2009)
The Fiesta council is at fault. According the article the Fiesta Council has been told of the controversy. And they chose to ingore the concerns. Concerns that were great enough to take them to Fiesta Council. While the Fiesta Council barred the queen and court from any further appearances, i think it only fair that the Fiesta Council be punished as well for their part or -non-part in this incident. Each council member should step down from their current position effective immediately.
Thank you   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Thank you deeply ladies (Helen, Scary, & Rose) for the completely different contrast of looking at this situation. It was a real life Mean Girls incident. I hope the girls involved in this altercation and their parents can move on and find peace in knowing that things happen and move on. The participation in this court is not all there is in life and what may seem important right now really isn't. It's a Santa Fe thing and please find comfort in knowing that there is a lot of us out there who don't look at being part of the Fiesta Royal court as very important. I'm sorry if this is something that hurts a great deal at the moment but as said previously, it's just something you did once. You are all young and you will find that in 5 years you may be embarrassed that such a big deal was made and can maybe laugh about it. All of us will have moved on. I'm sorry that neither of you were supported by the council to perhaps stop and obviously tenscious situation from becoming a physical altercation. They are really at fault. And perhaps a bit of patience and understanding can be learned by those who started the fight.
Not right   (posted on 10/21/2009)
No you were very wrong in telling people that they are false in how they pray. You know what you said that that's just wrong. I didn't say anything before had not even posted until I read how down right rude you were being. So your not very Christian by the way you talk. God bless you, you need it. Horrible! You need it more than anyone else here. Nobody else on here has said anything about people being false in their beliefs. My name is Monica Aranda. And no matter what you say it will not justify yourself. God Bless indeed.
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
The same black line, that was drawn on me, was drawn on you, and now its drawing you in! Quick to come to the defense of the "innocent" read their posts and tell me they have class or respect for anyone including themselves. In my lowly opinion, it is not considered Christian to talk badly about other people, and then claim to be holy by praying and visiting La Conquistadora (that was all I was saying) not questioning ANYONE's faith or belief system, sorry you got it twisted. I will continue to pray for the peace of OUR community, God Bless.
Not right   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Questioning someone's faith is not right at all. I'm sorry but a line should be crossed with you Jess. That is not right at all. I don't know who exactly you were referring too but that is very poor of you. I guess class is something that was not taught at the College of Santa Fe. You won't be doing anyone any favors by having that horrid attitude.
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
I'm sorry Rose, thank you for being tactful in what you say, I agree with you.
LP Armijo   (posted on 10/21/2009)
You have no right Jess questioning people's faith. They don't imagine that. Faith is what we hold dear. How dare you state "It’s Scary to think we have facades walking around our town, self proclaiming to pray to La Conquistadora, yet constantly putting down those who are willing to volunteer." You don't know any of us personally and that is just down right horrible of you. If you were on the court your not doing your cause any justice.
Rose   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Jess you are not very nice yourself. But that's okay because that is part of having an opinion. Not all opinions are nice but we are entitled to them. Your not going to change anyone's opinion about how they feel about the Fiesta Council, and the Royalty Court. They may love the thought or hate it. Believe it or not but it's okay to disagree with one another. We all didn't vote for the same guy for president I'm sure. I don't think Helen or Scary were trying to be so rude. I understand what they mean by girls having it hard. I have two daughters who cry for everything. My son on the other hand could care less about anything except his own world. Try not and take things to heart. That might have been the problem in the Battle Royal. All they were trying to say is that this title is not so important that you have to compromise who you are for it. No, we don't know you, your past or even who you are. I don't think in anyway that is the issue here. Be proud of yourself for who you are not what every one else thinks. Peer pressure should have stopped at the end of Highschool so we don't all have to think the same, it's okay to have your own thoughts. It's even okay for those who think they are being positive when really they have no idea they are being more rude than those who don't agree with the subject.
Tommy   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Helen, I am not putting down Scary or anybody else. If I sound arrogant, I am serious (without a smirk) when I say I am sorry to whomever feels this way. I don't believe mostly anyone thinks being De Vargas or La Reina is their greatest accomplishment. I only remember certain titles from the past because that is how my brain works. I really only bring up the De Vargas thing when someone else does or if it sheds some light when educating or correcting negativity. I am not a Council member. And I really couldn't even fit the Fiestas into my schedule this year. I started blogging when I was reading blogs that stated 'Burn these girls with Zozobra' and other ones that were calling us Santafeans a bunch of low-class idiots. The last thing I want to do is come off as arogant because that's just more negativity. Helen, trust me on this one...I am not an enemy. My intent is to provide a contrast to the negative. That's all.
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
I am whatever you say I am. That girl and so much more than that, if you had any clue what I've been through in my life and what I have to offer the world you wouldn't be sitting on your high horse throwing rocks on younger, more revolutionary women than yourself. It’s a shame in our culture women are the first to spit on each other like Josh V, Scary, Helen and you, Linda. What a shame to have a positive outlook on life and the change you wish to see in world only to have it smashed down by negative comments like yours and Josh V's. We as people are entitled to our opinions and comments so long as they are not hurtful or rude, as yours are. Thank you for perpetuating the cycle of violence and control rather than embracing diversity and making change! It is not until we can talk civilly with each other that we can effectually make change! (I also hold a tiny little BA granted upon me by the College of Santa Fe.) You all tell me I don't count!
Josh V   (posted on 10/21/2009)
By the way Allan, you shouldn't really care about my post. According to Jess I don't count because I just went to that sad school in ABQ, you know the one called UNM. I just have a tiny little BA so I don't count. If I were La Reina though, I would have went to Georgetown.
Josh V   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Allan I have no idea what she did to earn such a "high" honor. I think anyone involved are "high". I don't condone someone portraying De Vargas. I think he was a murderer. History states that. I was joking saying in my last post. Ask Tommy. He knows everything and we should all look up to Past Don Diego's and La Reina's. I personally am going to dress up as my hero De Vargas or if I knew what Tommy looked like I would dress up as him. He's my new hero because I've always been looking for the all knowing.
Allan   (posted on 10/21/2009)
How about we also put down the council?! They are the ones who get bought out and show favoritism to families who pay the most money to get their daughter the title "La Reina". How about we change the council to only serve about 5 years at most then they elect new members. Instead of having all of the old timers on their fattening their bank accounts. Josh V, what has "our" current La Reina done to earn such a "high" honor?
Linda   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Jess - How does getting choosen as La Reina enhance your chances of getting into a Ivy League school? I have my masters and I wasn't La Reina. I think your the kind of girl Helen was referring too. And I think Josh V was being facetious. Perhaps that blew past you. We as people are also entitled to our opinion.
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Portraying these roles does not allow us to change the world but it does allow us to be that change in the archaic tradition, some are putting down! By bring an ounce of ourselves to the tradition we are slowly changing it! This, by no means is the most important thing that any of us have done or will do in our lives. It does, however, enhance our chances of getting into an Ivy League school for out Masters, Doctorate and Juris Doctorate degrees in order to come back to our suffering and struggling community to enrich the lives of our youth! I do it for the youth in my life, not to be trashed, bad mouthed and put-down, I strive to set an example of excellence for the youth in OUR community. Stop calling us, them, they and those people, it the power of language, WE ARE ALL ONE PEOPLE! TODOS SOMOS UNIDOS!
Helen   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Girls fight, they bicker and suffer for it. I think girls have it harder than men because for some reason, there is always Jelousy. That makes life hard. Tommy you have no right putting down the post by Scary! I think he/she was trying to help the situation by letting these girls know that being a part of this court is not the most important thing they will do in their time here on earth. It's people like you who make these girls cry. They actually think that becoming La Reina will change the world. Well here's information for you Tommy. Neither does being the Homecoming Queen or King. You make think that being De Vargas or La Reina is the most important thing on earth and it is sad to see just how crazy you are about it. I hope you don't have daughters because I would hate for them to have to grow up with you as an example of a man for them. Women have it hard enough without having to put up with pompous, arrogant men like you.
Tommy   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Josh, I'm sure I come off as a jerk to some of you. I am sorry. I'm just trying to promote positiveness in our Santa Fe Culture. (Fiestas just happens to be a small part of it)
Jess   (posted on 10/21/2009)
It’s Scary to think we have facades walking around our town, self proclaiming to pray to La Conquistadora, yet constantly putting down those who are willing to volunteer. Who really cares about the individuals involved? Apparently the New Mexican does to print 3 stories in regards to this topic and obviously so do all of US who are commenting on this matter! It’s not until we can agree to disagree and use each others comments as a constructive dialogue to further education and stop bickering among ourselves!!! Josh V, your opinion is welcome and (in my opinion)valid we need blunt honest people, like you, ACTIVE in our community!
still have hope   (posted on 10/21/2009)
both families are embarrassing to our community and to the whole Fiesta celebration. Both families should hide their heads in the sand and don't come out for quite some time. Both familes have lost all respect for themselves if they ever had any. Both families are at fault. Most of all the Parents of both girls. The parents are the MOST embarrassing of all.
Josh V   (posted on 10/21/2009)
To all who try and have an opinion here, it doesn't count. The only opinion that counts is that of Tommy. Do not mess with Tommy because no matter what you say he will have something better, smarter, and a "tad more nice" than you. De Vargas was not a murderer, he was a fantastic man who made a promise and by all means all Santa Feans should praise that. A Queen was introduced and since it's a tradition that was added later let's all just bow down and accept the fact that those who portray De Vargas & La Reina are smarter, better people, do more for the community, are law makers, teachers, and so on. We are just on lookers and all this as a tradition is more important than any other thing you do in your life. Thank you Tommy, and the other past De Vargas', Queens and princess'. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for changing the world to better man kind.
Tommy   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Lynne C. Thanks for that unsolicited observation. And I don't understand that last sentence at all. Regardless, I still find MADD as an admirable choice to volunteer for. As a High School teacher, let know if I could put up posters, set up notices, or do anything else on my end. Try to be a tad more nice.
Jaymee   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Good Job Lynne!! I would love to walk like MADD this weekend but I'm in a wedding. Hit that 2 mil!
John Michael   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Lynne, Since your in MADD, props to you by the way, and Tommy was speaking of our leaders then you should catch some of those leaders for DWI. It's special session time and there are certain little hangouts for those who "lobby" and enjoy their cocktails. Also, set up a road block outside one of those Fiesta Dances. The coucil and court so to speak have been known to enjoy their cocktails. Much love to those who do good. Again Props, my cousin was killed by a dummy driving drunk in Texas.
Lynne C   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Tommy you obviously need attention. You are obsessed with being De Vargas. Very pathetic. How about getting attention in a good way. Hope to see you tonight at the meeting. I'll be there. I already knew about it. Also, as a member of MADD I'd like to invite you to WALK LIKE MADD in Albuquerque this weekend. We are trying to reach the 2 million dollar mark. And by you people, well your setting a sad class for yourself.
Tommy   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Lynne C. By us people, are you referring to the Fiesta Council? Because several members and supporters are also our law makers and community leaders. And if you read today's newspaper, you'd see the new stringent DWI Laws that our leaders are pushing for.
Tommy   (posted on 10/21/2009)
well put Scary. Is that your first or last name? Or both?
Lynne C   (posted on 10/21/2009)
"It was a joke Carrie! I wish you people lobbied for tougher DWI laws as much as you stick up for Fiestas. Then maybe that Ex-De Vargas of yours would spend his life in jail. Good choice by the way." I AGREE WITH THIS.
Scary   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Well girls, if you see the post below, there are still those who live for what or who they were in highschool and little things they've done. You can tell by the past princess and past de vargas' oh and council members here in this blog. They are the only ones defending. Stay away from them, and you'll be fine.
Scary   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Good Points Scary BTW, our Homecoming Queen was Contessa Aragon. Our Homecoming King was Donald Chavez. Our Prom King was Martin Mena. I don't remember who our Prom Queen was. Here's where it gets weird. Contessa was La Reina in 1992. Both Martin and Donald were on my Cuadrilla in 1999. Thanks for this creepy blog. Ha Ha
Scary   (posted on 10/21/2009)
I love La Conquistadora. I pray to her often. I went to school at St. Francis and would make a special visit to her after school on my walk home. I think this thing has gotton way out of hand and I agree with another statement in that the council should have taken care of business. I there was so called "bad blood" during the entire summer then the problems should have been addressed. Some people take this tradition way to seriously. This is a prime example. To the girls involved. Please don't take this royalty, Queen/Princess thing so seriously. It's just something you did once. Nobody outside of Santa Fe cares about any of this and to be truthful, only the people involved really care about the royalty. You have so much more ahead of you in life. Careers, family, and much more important memories. Think of this like highschool. Nobody remembers who the heck the homecoming queen was and nobody will remember this in a year. Good luck to you girl, put this behind you. It's actually scary how seriously some people look at the royalty.
Tommy   (posted on 10/21/2009)
Gloria I think if the all those involved in this spat are forced or asked to apologize, the audience will think it is a contrived act and therefore not believable. It could have a counter-productive effect. And I am not sure what could possibly be the forum. Newspaper ad? During their closing speech? Que Suave? Several of us bloggers are trying to add positivity in our posts, for we understand that a person could make 99 great decisions, but once they make even 1 mistake, people are quick to crucify. Some people think that the Council is just sweeping this issue under the rug; however, I think any apology, article, or even conversation about the details or parties involved in that Saturday night fracas, it will just add more negativity. I agree that there could be a more positive closure, but I get peace of mind by reminding myself that these young ladies who are the central figures made mistakes. They are young. They went through well over a hundred event without any negative incident. They all chose to volunteer and visit our elderly and our youth. They all woke up for two weeks straight at about 4 AM and stayed busy non-stop until sometimes ten at night before they even had a chance to get home. Also, they all had the guts to get up on stage in front of over 200 well-dressed adults/strangers. Plus, we all make mistakes...including you and I.
Gloria   (posted on 10/21/2009)
If the fiesta council wants to put an end to this scenario this is what I believe they need to do. This should have been done immediately following the spat between royalty: The fiesta council needs to bring in all who were involved and have them apologize to each other because everyone who participated in this spat needs to be held accountable. If they refuse to do this they should be relieved of their duties until the following year. If the Fiesta council does not do this, they are sending the wrong message to future candidates. The next thing is that the Fiesta Council needs to go with these young wonmen to a City Council meeting and publicly apologize to this community for making spectacles of themselves and for humiliating our culture, traditions and religious devotion to Our Lady. Without this public apology.....our traditional Fiesta will forever be marred and mocked by those who are looking to do away with a tradition which brought pride amongst our people. So, Gabby.......do the right thing to put an end to this fiasco.
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Gerard, Did you read that post? '...Calabazas is an excellent food booth present both during Indian Market weekend and Fiesta weekend!! '
Princess Jess   (posted on 10/20/2009)
You said it yourself, you can find El Corazon de Santa Fe right in the title! At the St. Francis Cathedral Bascilia Gift Store or online at; http://www.cbsfa.org/OnlineStore.asp
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Kudos, You parade around De Vargas?
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Princess Jess That was awesome! Thanks for that. I know the reenactment has changed once already. Through time, healing, and positive input, I believe sooner than not, we will have a historical and cultural portrayal and balance that mirrors your sentiments. I was in DC and I saw the newly unveiled staue of Popay. Every state in the US has two statues each on Capitol Hill and I 'think' that NM was the last state to submit its second one. NM chose Pope. I know the cultural underlyings are not perfect: however, I always look at Santa Fe culture as a hybrid of mostly Spanish and Pueblo. Look at our architecture, food, jewelry. Time and Having the Correct People involved will be the determining factor in our collaborative success. And we are improving. The Fiestas did not have Indian Princesas until the late 90's or early 2000's. On several Cuadrillas, Pueblo Indians have been included. One was Jesse Calabaza, who was on my younger brother's Cuadrilla. And we had a blast. We also found that it was our Spiriual Brotherhood that guided us through the crazy schedule of church visits, school visits, attending every northern NM Fiesta, visiting retirement home, and all the other required Fiesta functions. It's getting more and more inclusive. Some bloggers assume that just because we have portrayed De Vargas or have been on the Court or Cuadrilla, that we worship the Queen or De Vargas or that we think it all revolves around them. This is not true at all. The true point of the Fiestas is about what you, Carrie, and Danielle are posting! Where can I find a copy of 'El Corazon de Santa Fe'?
Kudos   (posted on 10/20/2009)
To whomever posted the history. Nice to know how many people were "excecuted" by De Vargas and than we parade him around. Disgusting. Sorry to any of you who are offended by this.
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Carrie Where was the post of the Proclamacion? Dennis Nice Blog!
Princess Jess   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Kudos to you, Carrie, Tommy and Danielle for very well educated and HELPFUL, not hurtful, comments. To those of you who are wise enough to pick up a book and read up on the historical, religious and cultural significance of the Fiesta maybe you ought to know that the Fiesta was started in 1712 and has ran continuously over 297 years uninterrupted in our wonderful town of Santa Fe. It wasn’t until 1911 that a “pageant” was introduced solely for the male to portray Don Diego de Vargas. The pageant, which was originally started by Alianza Hispano-Americano, during a time when trade fairs were, used as a tourist attraction along with Lew Wallace and Company (Indian Market, Spanish Market, Gringo Market all sound familiar???) The female counter part was not added until the twentieth century (nor were they or Natives allowed to vote)!!! We live in a city that exploits race, culture and religion as an economic tourist attraction! The two busiest weekends in Santa Fe ARE Indian Market weekend and Fiesta weekend! I grew up in a town where I aspired to be not a super-model, not a movie star but La Reina de la Fiesta! That is not such a bad thing when we currently hold the title for highest suicide rate, pregnancy rate and drop-out rate! Encouraging young women and men to participate in a long running tradition IS community service, the hours we spent inside classrooms speaking individually to students IS making a difference, lending a hand or a smile to an elderly member of our community IS lending out ourselves and our services to our community. Volunteering in our faith based communities and tutoring the youth of our community is giving back to our future! We are not out for our own personal gain but to live our lives as an example for our youth, who are fighting a struggle that was inherited by our ancestors. Look at our youth and ask yourself why they are so angry? Do you have the answer? My grandmothers were raped and killed by my grandfathers, (QUOTE THAT) we have a violent history. We can try to help figure it out, by telling our children an accurate depiction of their history, not by copying and pasting, but by infiltrating a system that is archaic and voicing our own opinions. Again I say to you angry members of society JOIN the Fiesta Council. Voice your opinions and maybe someday Popay and Govenor Ortermin can have their own “quadrilla” to march in and meet Don Diego and Don Juan Paez Hurtado to fully reenact the discussions that went on for years! Pueblo Revolt happened in 1680, Don Diego and his men did not re-enter the city until 1693 and not without bloodshed. The true meaning of Fiesta is not found at La Fonda on Fiesta Friday afternoon, nor is it found at the Gran Baile on Saturday night. Rather for me it was found in the powerful words of all the men of cloth we visited around the state. Father Brasher in Las Vegas for his political moving words, the prayer that was said over a meal we ate in Popay’s (the first leader of the FIRST successful American Revolution) home of San Juan Pueblo, or the opening prayer Monsignor Jerome said during the Pregon Mass on Fiesta Friday opening mass. Watch the documentary, El Corazon de Santa Fe, done beautifully by E. Anthony Martinez and educate yourself on the many differing opinions and facts on the subject. Telling New Mexico A New History edited by Marta Weigle with Francis Levine and Louise Striver is a great source of information and can be purchased while supporting the further dialogue of CONTEMPORARY Native American education and issues here at my place of work at the Museum of Contemporary Native Arts a center of the Institute of American Indian Arts. P.S. Calabazas is an excellent food booth present both during Indian Market weekend and Fiesta weekend!!
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Thanks for the post of the Proclamation. This shows how fiestas started and the culutral, historic and religious foundation of the fiestas. Everything else evolved from it. The pagentry is part of honoring the events and the promise. Que Viva! Again "High Five" to ALL who volunteer every year to make this happen.
Dennis   (posted on 10/20/2009)
The Fiestas de Santa Fe is a spectacular event it generates Boat loads of dollars that actually go back into our community and keep its economy strong. The experience given to the hundreds of people directly involved creates an infections sense of stewardship that pays out dividends for years to come. Que VIVa la Fiestas de Santa Fe
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Directly from Wikipedia Are you the same person as 'Quote'?
Directly from Wikipedia   (posted on 10/20/2009)
On August 10, 1680, Pueblo people from various pueblos in northern New Mexico staged an uprising against Spanish colonists. They laid siege to the city of Santa Fe, forcing the Spanish to retreat on August 21. The colonists fled south to El Paso del Norte (now Ciudad Juárez, Mexico), where they remained in exile for the next 12 years. In 1688, Capitan General y Governador Don Diego de Vargas was appointed Governor of New Mexico, though he did not arrive to assume his duties until (February 22), 1691.[1] He was assigned with the task of reconquering and recolonizing the territory for Spain. In July of 1692, de Vargas and a small contingent of soldiers returned to Santa Fe. They surrounded the city and called on the Pueblo people to surrender, promising clemency if they would swear allegiance to the King of Spain and return to the Christian faith. After meeting with de Vargas, the Pueblo leaders agreed to peace, and on September 14, 1692 de Vargas proclaimed a formal act of repossession. De Vargas’ repossession of New Mexico is often called a "bloodless reconquest", since the territory was initially retaken without any use of force. Later, when de Vargas returned to Mexico in early 1693 to retrieve a group of settlers, the Pueblo people reneged on their peace agreement and again captured Santa Fe. This time with the peace agreement broken, de Vargas retook the city by force, resulting in hundreds of Pueblo fighters being killed or later executed. A Second Pueblo Revolt was attempted in 1696, resulting in the death of five missionaries and twenty-one Spaniards, but it was effectively thwarted. For the next several years, warfare continued between both sides, but by the end of the century the Spanish colonization was essentially solidified. De Vargas had prayed to the Virgin Mary, under Her title La Conquistadora, for the peaceful re-entry. Believing that She heard his prayer, he celebrated a feast in Her honor. Today, this feast continues to be celebrated annually in Santa Fe as the Fiestas de Santa Fe. Part of those annual fiestas is a novena of masses in thanksgiving. Those masses are also done with processions, from the Cathedral Basilica of St. Francis of Assisi, to the Rosario Chapel. The actual statue of La Conquistadora is taken in the processions. After the novena is completed, She is taken back to the Basilica. This is all in honor of Diego de Vargas and his reconquest of Santa Fe.
Gerard   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Tommy, I would be careful If I were you if you find yourself in Texas. Jalapenos are their version of Green chili. Made the same mistake myself once.
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Gerard Just no jalapenos. Tried that before. One of my more stupid decisions!!!
Jessica Garza   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Tommy - The council. Sorry, I should have wrote "You people (the council) do not realize that.
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Jessica Garza, When you say "You people don't realize it. Sorry', Who exactly are you referring to?
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Dear Mr. Quote, Where did you get this?: "It is at this time that the promise is made to our Lady for victory. An annual Novina to thank her for the Spanish return and a Fiestas to honor and remember this victory and thus..." I'm actually looking at the Proclamacion right now, and I don't see this at all. Where can I find this?
Gerard   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Tommy I would so be a judge. Heck I'm gonna enter the green chili cheese burger contest at the fair next year. Garlic in the chili, that's the secret.
Quote   (posted on 10/20/2009)
"By all historical accounts DeVargas left El Paso in August 1692 for Santa Fe. This was twenty years after the Pueblo Revolt. With him he brought 60 solders, 100 Indian helpers and cannons. (please take note, there was not one colonist or even one Franciscan Friar.) His assigned mission was to retake the city, by any and all means, peacefully if possible. On September 12 1692 after numerous discussions with the Indians holding the city, a frustrated DeVargas readied his army for attack and brings the cannons sights to bear on the city. It was only at this time that the Indian occupants surrendered. DeVargas has all the Indian Leaders pledge loyalty to Spain and believing he had an agreement for the Spanish return. He leaves the City with his army (everyone) for El Paso. On October 4, 1693 DeVargas leaves El Paso once again for Santa Fe. With him this time are 100 soldiers, 75 families, 18 Franciscan friars, cannons and a number of friendly Indians. Once Again when they arrive on the outskirts of the city the Indians refuse to withdraw from the city as previously agreed. The Spanish thus settle into a cold, snowy camp north of the city (a sight which is now Rosario Cemetery). There they stay there for two weeks and DeVargas attempts to get those within the city to leave. It is only after 21 colonists die from the cold (hypothermia) that a decision is made to re-take the city. It is at this time that the promise is made to our Lady for victory. An annual Novina to thank her for the Spanish return and a Fiestas to honor and remember this victory and thus her Spanish name given by the Spanish settlers “ La Conquistidora” Our lady of the Conquest. Up until this day she was known only as Our Lady of the Assumption. On December 28 1693 the Indians dare the Spanish to attack and DeVarags quickly accepted the challenge. In this one-sided battle the Spanish quickly re-take the town. It is a historical fact that the Indians now pay a heavy price for their defiance. Besides the 81 Indian combatants who died during the battle for Santa Fe, 70 Indians are arrested and executed under the orders of DeVargas while 400 others are taken captive. Sounds very peaceful to me, right. It is only at this time that the first solders, friars and colonists re-enter the City of Santa Fe. So why is the Fiesta Counsel re-witting history. Maybe because of the simple fact, that the real story is not politically correct. Isn’t this Fiesta Council’s version of history an injustice to those Indians who fought and gave up their life in the defense of Santa Fe. To me it’s a cold slap in the face of those Spanish soldiers and Colonists (my ancestors) who braved the journey, fought the battle and died in the retaking the town. Shouldn’t we be teaching the true history to our children. Weather this truth be nice or not. Sometimes there is a peace that is found, only on the other side of war and from these times has come a peace and friendship between all cultures. It is this peace & understanding that has blossomed in New Mexico, between the Spanish and our Native American brothers & Sisters, that we should honor during our Fiestas and not the Fiesta Council Myth."
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Gerard Food competition sounds like a great idea...only if I could be one of the judges!
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
True Meaning Not to be mean or anything or anyhtin, but if we all did our research and simply re-read the original proclamation, we will all see that these were novenas offered to the efforts of Gobernador De Vargas. The way it has evolved is actually a better fit for Santa Fe though. Good Bolgs to Carrie, Danielle, and everyone else. A few bloggers are still spewing negativity but most are positive.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
True Meaning: It seems like you keep putting down the pagentry. Catholic religion is full of pagentry. So it is offensive for people to call it dress up or unnecessary. Don't be involved in it if you don't like it. Only do the parts you like, but don't expect all else to fold-up. It is old and not without problems (we are human). I say again "Que Viva" "High Five to the Volunteers".
Gerard   (posted on 10/20/2009)
The more I read these comments along with the articles the happier I am that my extent of Fiestas is a good green chili cheese burger. Actually, the stands have gone down hill. Can we do something about that. Let's have the stands compete. Please, our fiesta food is suffering.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
There are many organizations involved in putting together fiestas: including the Cabelleros, the Catholic Church, La Confradia, the City of Santa Fe, etc. Fiestas is what it has evolved to be. The portrayal of DeVargas and having a court is a very old tradition. The Fiesta Council oversees this part. It is a part of Fiestas, and as such needs to be governed by them. It takes a lot to put the event on as it as evolved. We should all enjoy and part take in the parts we like or are committed to and respect the rest. Let each body governs as needed and let's appreciate the work done by ALL the volunteers. Stop the gossiping and name calling.
LP Armijo   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Maria, I know very well who promised the Novena's and Procession in her honor. But upon my research, it now where states that role playing is included in the promise. So I'm not so ignorant.
James V.   (posted on 10/20/2009)
dandapanda...I don't see why not...need info.
True Meaning   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Your getting caught up in it Carrie. You have more post here than anybody. Perhaps you should re think that statment. Jessica said she prays to our lady. She said she doesn't ask for the gossip. Read it again. If you don't want to add fuel, than go away and quit trying to tell people how, they should think, when they should think and what they should have an opinion about. There are many of us who don't feel as strongly about a "court" as you do. To most of us, the meaning of fiestas is held in faith, not pagentry.
Native Santafean   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Danielle   (posted on 10/20/2009)
You must remember that we dress up and continue the tradition of fiestas in honor of La Conquistadora. Its our way of fulfilling our divotion to her. So LP Armijo who has a concern with "the Pagentry" of Fiestas, I take offense. We dont tell you how to pray and show your devotion, so dont tell us how we can pray and show our devotion to our lady. Its all apart of the promise made to La Conquistadora with the added fun of dressing up and having a role to play. You have every right to attend mass, just like we do. Except were not so uptight.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Why do you pray the rosary every morning, novena, etc. and then get caught up in the gossip and people bashing? Let's be respectful. Each person has their culture, religion, etc. I too, come from a long line of Cabellero members. I grew up with Fiestas. My understanding is that it is all about respect for each others culture and ways of worshiping. Turn your attention away from the gossip and enjoy the culture, history and religion you were raised in. Human conflict always has two sides and it is important for the people involved to resolve it themselves and through the proper hiarchy or governing body of the activity (The Fiesta Council). With our comments we can hope to influence a better understanding and not fuel the fire. The families involved can then feel supported in a positive way which may help to bring a better outcome to the situation instead of fueling the dispute and saying mean things, let's be reminders of our the calm, spiritual expeiences we have had in past celebrations.
True Meaning   (posted on 10/20/2009)
You finally got something right Carrie. The true meaning of Fiestas is about the Novena's & Processions for Nuestra Senora De La Conquistadora. Real Santa Feans will agree on that. LP is right also, It has nothing to do with the council. Perhaps Carrie you need to do your research.
LP Armijo   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Carrie, the Novena's have nothing to do with the council. That's about our lady. Not De Vargas, Not the Queen, not the Council. La Confradia and the Caballeros are the one's who should take credit for that. People are there not see the Pagentry. They are to pray. Don't mix the two up. Really, I've always thought you people make a specticle of yourselves.
Jessica Garza   (posted on 10/20/2009)
I'm a the Novena's every year. 5:15 mass dear! Pray the rosary every night after. In fact, the Conquistadora has a dress made out of my confirmation dress when I was little. People talk about you guys at mass. I never ask for the gossip. The news paper isn't the only one that reports it. My grandfather was a Caballero till his passing. I would join you in the morning but I watch my grandkids and they are at my house bright and early. My 4 year old grandson actually walked his first procession this year. It's the council and the court that are not important. YOu people don't realize that. Sorry!
Rose Marie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Good Job Mrs Trujillo! If your daughter was the one getting attacked than she should have been allowed to continue. The council did wrong. How sad that they were more worried about having a float without a queen rather than doing the right thing. It was the Queen that they had to remove kicking and screaming wasn't it. Down with the Council!
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Depends on your culture and religion whether the "Fiesta stuff" is important. I say to the New Mexican and those people who this is not a part of your culture - be respectful. The only reason some people say all they hear is negative - is because that is all that is reported. Again, do your research, come to all the masses, processions, novenas, and then form an opinion. Otherwise, do not belittle the culture of other people. Most people only want to hear the negative because it is exciting - they remember that and not the positive. You are invited next year to come to the masses, processions and novenas. You will have a different opinion.
dandapanda   (posted on 10/20/2009)
question James V: will your Boss let my kids 4-h group meet there? How much rent do they pay?
Danielle   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Danielle I give you kuddos for speaking your mind and acting on the situation in a positive manner.
Jessica Garza   (posted on 10/20/2009)
It seems to me that there are plenty of people who really don't care about any of this Fiesta stuff. If people take the council and royalty court as a joke then perhaps the council needs to do something to higher their standards of it's members and those who are chosen. I've never worried about any of this stuff. None of my family or friends care about this stuff. All I've ever heard is negative things about the council and courts. Apprently this all goes to your heads and obviously it's true. There are more important things in life than portraying a character. To the Fiesta Council, you as an organization have no one else to blame but yourselves. You as an organization let it get this far. Apparently there was problem and you all didn't take care of it. I guess that's where they are saying "sweeping things under the rug". Don't blame the news paper for reporting it. Blame your organization for not knowing how to handle things. The bad press your organization generates is it's own fault. It's apparent that you people are not very popular here.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Human conflict and human imperfection are all a part of the world and life we live. Neither one of these is a defining point for any one acitivity or group. Events and traditons (both cultural, spiritual and relilgious) are what help us anchor ourselves when our "human imperfections" show themselves. It is not because of these traditions that conflict or other problems arise; but probably because of these deeply rooted traditions that we as humans thrive and survive. The volunteers that are a part of fiestas do have other things in their lives. Many of them are educators, nurses, animal shelter volunteers, students, etc. They are peole with families and do other things in the community besides fiestas. It is not fair to bash their religion, culture or person. "High Five" and Que Viva!
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Carrie stated "Human conflict is a part of life, it is how you deal with it that defines character" That's the outlook that has allowed our culture to thrive. Of course, some would rather post or dicuss the negative. We are with you
Josh V   (posted on 10/20/2009)
It was a joke Carrie! I wish you people lobbied for tougher DWI laws as much as you stick up for Fiestas. Then maybe that Ex-De Vargas of yours would spend his life in jail. Good choice by the way.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
The Fiesta Council, Royalty and Cuadrilla do not do any of this for personal gain (ie Trip to Disneyland). It is religious and cultural. If you do not know the roots or understand the long-lived religious and cultural part of fiestas - do not comment. Do your research and then be respectful. It is a very spiritual and cultural thing for many. Que Viva!
Josh V   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Disney said that they will give a ticket to people who Volunteer. I'm pretty none of you council people, De Vargas and Queen included will not get a ticket.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
It is obvious that a lot of people only go to fiestas for the party, food and people-watching. And that is fine. Something for everyone. But the true meaning of fiesta is religious and cultural. It is something that many of us understand as an important part of our cultural and religion. All the rest came later. Portraying historical characters from the past is a way of honoring and remembering. The masses, novenas, processions are all REAL. They are very spiritual events for many people. So many people approach their volunteer work very seriously and it is not about the party. But, yes, celebration is fun, but does not take away from the religious roots of this celebration. It is not right to bash and laugh at someones religious and cultural traditions. Especially since this is the oldest community celebration in the United States. It shows how deep the roots go and how we as a people have kept family traditions alive. If you don't like fiestas - then don't go. If you really want the true experience, then go to all the novenas, masses, processions. You will be impressed with the long-lived traditions. The New Mexican should be ashamed for making such a big deal out of a conflict that is none of anyones business. It is the business of the Fiesta Council to deal with this. And they have done it with dignity. Again "high five" to ALL the Royalty, Cuadrilla, Fiesta Council for all the hard work done, and may the true spirit of fiestas shine on. Human conflict is a part of life, it is how you deal with it that defines character. The Fiesta Council is not "Sweeping things under a rug". They are showing true character by handling a conflict between two of it's representatives in a dignified and private way. Public humiliation and stoning are not a part of this century. Que Viva Santa Fe!
James V.   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Question James V...It's where you blend, religion and tradition...believe me , this council and it's affiliates has NOT lost it's religious significance pal ...
Question James V   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Did the very first Fiesta's start off with selection contest, De Vargas, and a queen? It's for La Conquistadora, let's not loose site of that. I think that might be why people say it's lost it's religious significance.
LP Armijo   (posted on 10/20/2009)
I agree with another poster. If it's all about volunteering than why don't you people involved raise money for family's who go without. Collect toys from June to September for kids who will have none during Chritmas. I would respect you people more if you weren't going to nursing homes to dance and actually went there to read to these people. To help them with little things they need done. I would respect you more if you were going to the school to volunteer to help kids with their reading, help the teachers in class, pick up garbage around the school, or raise money for the school. I enjoy having La Conquistadora visit the churches. But this would get done with the Caballero's De Vargas. Go work in a homeless shelter for a year. Or since you obviously like dressing up, dress up as Santa and go ring a bell. If you want us to respect you all for volunteering and I'm not really sure what you actually do, volunteer for something that really makes a difference.
James V.   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Question Danielle...ever heard of a thing called TRADITION ??
Question Danielle   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Danielle, can I just ask why we need a man portraying De Vargas and a Queen and court to keep a celebration going? the promise was made to La Conquistador and I don't think in that promise there was anything mentioned about having a selection contest and a court and a man dressing up like De Vargas. I just don't see the purpose. A purpose of keeping a promise to our lady but not the whole court thing.
Mark   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Pretty shabby and trashy conduct. And almost equally shabby and trashy for the Council to complain about the press coverage!
Princesa 2008   (posted on 10/20/2009)
My name is Danielle and I had the honor of being a Princesa in 2008. I was blessed to be given the opportunity to serve in this role and to give back to my community, and heritage. It saddens me to watch a time honored tradition, that has so much meaning to so many people, be bashed. I feel the reason that only the negativity of fiestas is being publicized is because the world now is so corrupt that the people who take cheap shots and open their mouths and are always the first to stand in line to comment are the same people that you can only find at the dances and bars downtown during fiestas, but aren’t the same people you will find participating in the Novena Masses, or Pontifical Masses we celebrate on Fiesta Sunday neither are they the people that you will find showing their support for us as we take the Fiesta spirit to those who cannot join us because they are confined to a nursing home or to the youth in schools. Partying and Dancing and having fun is only part of the Fiesta experience. We worked very hard all year through my reign, and it becomes very trying. There are still behind the scene stuff and preparation events. What the public doesn’t see or know is that we start Fiesta in June with a Coronation MASS and end fiestas in September with a MASS of Thanksgiving. We make sacrifices and wake up at 3 in the morning to get ourselves ready to be at Novena masses by 5. Before every event we take part in, we gather up the Royalty and the Cuadrilla and say a prayer thanking God for allowing us to continue such a wonderful tradition. Fiesta is a religious event, one that has been alive for 297 years. The Fiesta Council deserves kudos for being able to do this every year. It’s not an easy task to pull off a consecutive event for 297 years, but The Santa Fe Fiesta Council has managed to do it. Don’t start bashing fiestas because of a few bad apples or situations. If you don’t approve of fiestas or have a concern about fiestas, like my friend Princess Jess said join the council! Or don’t participate. Fiestas are a time honored tradition that will be alive and strong, and carried out because it was a promise made to Nuestra Senora La Conquistadora from Don Diego de Vargas. Like I said in my speech we have to “Keep on trucking, and keep this tradition alive and well!” Thanks again to the fiesta council for allowing me to participate. Dios que te bendiga!
James V.   (posted on 10/20/2009)
dandapanda....Through the good heart of my boss Commissioner Pat Lyons, the Fiesta Council has been able to utilize the Morgan Hall for our monthly meetings since as long as I've been participating. Anything better to do ??
James V.   (posted on 10/20/2009)
dandapanda....Through the good heart of my boss Commishioner Pat Lyons, the Fiesta Council has been able to utilize the Morgan Hall for our monthly meetings since as long as I've been participating. Anything better to do ??
Josh V   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Honestly is right. Nobody cares about this stuff. Thinking that Don Diego and his band of Merry Men and the Queen, the Council are a Joke, oh yes! In fact these articles are hysterical. I do disagree with Honestly on one thing. I would actually like to thank the New Mexican for a good laugh. These articles and the balloon boy have made my reading experience very enjoyable lately. Hats off to you. The news can be so depressing.
Just a thought   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Just a thought... the Spanish Princessa this year who is in the media for this mess must not of respected her native roots as well. She was a Indian Princessa in previous years, was she not? Respect must be given to all and recieved by all!
Honestly   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Come on New Mexican. Nothing having to do with the Fiesta Council is News Worthy. No one cares here. No body cares who De Vargas is or the Queen. Nobody cares. This is just stupid already. Let's have articles about real news. Keep these people out of the news. These people make such a big deal about volunteering, then instead of wasting a year doing this stuff volunteer for a cause that REALLY REALLY needs it. Come editor, keep these people out of the news because no one cares but them.
Michael   (posted on 10/20/2009)
I have an idea, take the fight to the Jerry Springer show!
MichaelMichael   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Again I say, 'do away with the fiestas!
dandapanda   (posted on 10/20/2009)
I registered with my real name but I am not gonna post with my real name! There are psychos out here in cyber space!
Linda Armijo   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Personally I am glad that the New Mexican has actually shown that the Fiesta Council does "sweep" incidents under the rug. Please, let's not all pretend this these people are just Pretty and Proper and that goes for the guys too. I would love to just be able to attend one fiestas (Taos, espanola, Las Vegas included) without these people parrading in and interupting the entertainment.
Maria   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Why is Ms. Chacon (Princess) not speaking on her own behalf? Why does she need her mother to do the talking for her. Like I said, the parents are the culprits for all this negative publicity on their children. SHAME ON YOU MOM & DAD!
PC Chavez   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Hah! So much for Henry wanting to people to register with their names. Not one on this cite is posting under anything even close to a name.
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Maria That usually is always the case right? Good Comment!
Maria   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Not ALL council members condone the altercation between the Spanish Princess and the Queen. I believe the parents are the ones "bickering" between themselves and their daughters are caught in the middle. I'll bet if you get the two girls together without their parents, you will find that all this was a miss understanding.
Fiesta Council Member   (posted on 10/20/2009)
I'm a Santa Fe Fiesta Council Member and have been for the past 25 years. I served as chairman of the Devargas Staff for 4 years and yes, issues came up, but we resolved them and moved on. Gloria, please do the same. This Fiesta Council has worked too hard to let one individual continuously put down this organization and all its dedicated members. The Boards decision to resolve this issue was a good one which I strongly support, GOOD JOB BOARD MEMBERS.
dandapanda   (posted on 10/20/2009)
just an incidental aside: Why is the Fiesta Council using a state office for a meeting place?
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Vanessa wrote: Good for you Gabby! It really is a shame that the only Fiesta articles written and published by the New Mexican are in a negative tone. For every one person that can be reported and event that can be reported in a negative light...there are ten instances where the event and its volunteers are doing good and making a positive difference for our community. We never hear or read about those stories!!! Why not??? I strongly feel that these recent articles are exactly as Gabby characterized: "gossipy" and "one-sided" Well said (...and thanks for using your real name)
Tommy   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Nice Comments Carrie! Some bloggers here want the Fiesta Council to add fuel to fire. I think the New Mexican and some bloggers are doing just fine at this. I think it's best to not add to rumors, inuendo, or negativity to an incident that does not deserve anymore attention. Some people and some organizations have more important tasks and objectives on their plate. Thank you to Gabby and the Fiesta Council for not adding to this totally unnecessary news story. Two negative public incidents in about twenty years? Out of several thousands of events, visitations and charitable acts of community service? Those are pretty good odds. I will bet on the Fiestas and on Santa Fe surviving this weird 'tiff'. Can you all do an article or start some blogs about how this year's De Vargas and his Alfarez have effectively taught about half of Santa Fe? All you bloggers should go see De Vargas and his choir perform at Cristo Rey. Introduce yourselves to him. Trust me, you'll like him.
What   (posted on 10/20/2009)
So because the Council and "royalty" put in hours and hours, partying, dancing, dressing up they should be excempt from acting with any class? Please, what do these people actually do for the city?
linda   (posted on 10/20/2009)
It would be nice to just have the truth and the Council actually had the chance. Apprently there are many things these people don't want us to know about. And they wonder why most of the public has no respect for them anymore.
dpb   (posted on 10/20/2009)
While the Council may have done some good for the community during the summer, as stated, I would bet even money they spent more for alcohol than for the anything else they have ever done for anyone but themselves. Simply a bunch of party BS and little else but nationalistic bigotry from these self-interested, arrogant fools.
po'd   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Let's see, if someone was insulting your race, would you take it lightly? Only if you were not proud of your race would you take it lightly,if these council members had any respect for native americans, they would act on this rasict fueled incident and make Victoria and her family apologize instead of saying the other girls are feeding into the negative, you're damn right it's negative. I am assuming you Fiesta Council are used to running over and direspecting the Native Americans that have participated in your event, now you have dealt with Natives that will not tolerate being treated like you are higher than them, "You're Not!" We are all created equal and this situation should have been addressed and now it will be addressed in public, good job, way to go Fiesta Council!!
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
I don't understand why peole insist on enjoying the negative, instead of highlighting the positive. ALL of these people did a good job over the summer. They stepped up and performed important civic work. Nobody is denying. There just is not need to feed into the frienzy. Things can be handled in a dignified manner. By the comments, obviously, some people just want a show. This is a religious, culutural event and that is what should be highlighted. The Fiesta Council is in place to manage the Fiestas. I think they are doing a good job not feeding into the "messengers" need to cause more problems. I think the "messenger" should better use their vehicle and power to give credit to ALL the volunteers (royalty, cuadrilla, Fiesta Council) who continue to participate in this important part of Santa Fe culture. Unless you have participated in the entire Fiesta experience (masses, processions, communtiy visits, fund raising etc.) you do not have the entire picture to be able to pass judgment based on just what the "messenger" puts out. Que Viva!
Gnarlodious   (posted on 10/20/2009)
That would be a great big Fiesta attraction, "Royal Smackdown!". Perhaps a mudpit where attendees in tuxedos and gowns could spontaneously jump in and strip while delivering body slams and guzzling tequila. An old west saloon with double swinging doors and a honkytonk player piano could give it some historical authenticity.
ken   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Obviously there was a problem. Maybe it was minor but trying to deny it and blame the messenger will just magnify it and reinforce the perception that the fiesta council leadership is clueless. Fiesta Royalty is already in a bad light from former royal Carlos Fierro.
Carrie   (posted on 10/20/2009)
The Fiesta Royalty and Cuadrilla and Fiesta Council put in hundreds and hundreds of hours of volunteer work over the summer. This is what the stories should be about. The defining moment of these wonderful ambassadors for our city and culture should not be that of a five minute dispute. These volunteers spent the summer visiting churches, nursing homes, schools, offices, processions, masses, fiesta celebrations in other communties, etc. etc. Many times they had to forego work for a day or two, and time with family in order to represent our city and culture. Let's "high-five" them for a job well done. The defining "moments" are all of those spent together as a team promoting our city and culture. Good Job!
Vanessa   (posted on 10/20/2009)
Good for you Gabby! It really is a shame that the only Fiesta articles written and published by the New Mexican are in a negative tone. For every one person that can be reported and event that can be reported in a negative light...there are ten instances where the event and its volunteers are doing good and making a positive difference for our community. We never hear or read about those stories!!! Why not??? I strongly feel that these recent articles are exactly as Gabby characterized: "gossipy" and "one-sided"
RedandGreen   (posted on 10/20/2009)
First rule in PR: Never, ever cover up. Be honest, come clean--no judgments. Don't make things worse by denying what is obviously true. The truth is always more boring than what's behind a mysterious cover-up. The truth really does set you free.


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